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07 Feb 2020, 9:18 pm

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07 Feb 2020, 9:20 pm

It's a health issue I know for a fact, but doubtless it will be, or has been, politicized, and the reds aren't helping by their attempts to stifle free speech about it. Literally the whole world knows Chinese are getting sick...


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07 Feb 2020, 9:35 pm

It certainly seems that way.


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07 Feb 2020, 9:44 pm

I feel like this will cause a bigoted reaction towards people from China.

Some guy on another forum said that he "doesn't eat bat soup." This was a reference to the Coronavirus' apparent origins from bats.



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08 Feb 2020, 3:14 am

Diseases often do become politicized.

But yes, this literal epidemic may have an upside: it seems to be causing a figurative political epidemic in China. An epidemic of free speech. Free speech spreading like a virus despite their governements attempts to quarantine it.



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08 Feb 2020, 4:49 am

Health is a political issue. Biosecurity is a political issue. They don’t stop being political issues just because that’s inconvenient to someone. It doesn’t mean that the emergence of a new disease is the fault of the current political leadership. But the conditions under which a novel zoonosis emerges are affected by decades of political decisions.

China has proven completely incapable of controlling ASFV, and remains vulnerable to new zoonoses for the same reason.

I do have to say that the video’s misuse of statistics, not to mention his apparent lack of understanding of how the WHO works, was pretty grating. It did effectively serve the purpose of showing that Chinese officials are manipulating the statistics but the bit about how a disease with a 3% fatality rate “definitely shouldn’t” have any fatalities after 17 cases is just plain wrong. It’s like saying that if you flip a coin once, you definitely won’t get tails as there is only a 50% chance.



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08 Feb 2020, 5:44 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Diseases often do become politicized.

But yes, this literal epidemic may have an upside: it seems to be causing a figurative political epidemic in China. An epidemic of free speech. Free speech spreading like a virus despite their governements attempts to quarantine it.


Hmmm...
considering the importance of China and it’s economy to global supply chains and associated liquid capital flows, is it credible that the domestic political ramifications of the virus over there are a bigger potential risk to us than the virus itself?
Just pondering..



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08 Feb 2020, 8:28 am

Karamazov wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Diseases often do become politicized.

But yes, this literal epidemic may have an upside: it seems to be causing a figurative political epidemic in China. An epidemic of free speech. Free speech spreading like a virus despite their governements attempts to quarantine it.


Hmmm...
considering the importance of China and it’s economy to global supply chains and associated liquid capital flows, is it credible that the domestic political ramifications of the virus over there are a bigger potential risk to us than the virus itself?
Just pondering..


you're afraid that if the people of China push for more democracy- it will cost you your job?

We in America only sell one thing to China. Soy beans. And now, thanks to Trump, we don't even sell them that anymore. So China effects us Americas more as consumers than it effects us as producers. Political upheavel in China would delay us getting the latest gizmo from Apple. Would you having to pay more to get the latest Apple device, or even you temporarily loosing your job, be as bad a personal tragedy as you...coming down sick with the Norovirus? I think not.



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08 Feb 2020, 8:45 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Diseases often do become politicized.

But yes, this literal epidemic may have an upside: it seems to be causing a figurative political epidemic in China. An epidemic of free speech. Free speech spreading like a virus despite their governements attempts to quarantine it.


Hmmm...
considering the importance of China and it’s economy to global supply chains and associated liquid capital flows, is it credible that the domestic political ramifications of the virus over there are a bigger potential risk to us than the virus itself?
Just pondering..


you're afraid that if the people of China push for more democracy- it will cost you your job?

We in America only sell one thing to China. Soy beans. And now, thanks to Trump, we don't even sell them that anymore. So China effects us Americas more as consumers than it effects us as producers. Political upheavel in China would delay us getting the latest gizmo from Apple. Would you having to pay more to get the latest Apple device, or even you temporarily loosing your job, be as bad a personal tragedy as you...coming down sick with the Norovirus? I think not.


Was more thinking of people employed in the global supply chains, retail industries, and the knock on effects of market turbulence as individuals and funds seek to shift their invested capital to relative safety if the CPCs power is credibly challenged.
But, yes, you’re right the direct affect to my own little life would be virtually zero.



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23 Apr 2020, 3:58 am

Greatshield17 wrote:
Yes:

It is a political issue, but not for the reasons anybody could ever think about or even believe!

This may be the hardest thing I have ever had to write (and I write a lot).

I also ask those who read it to truly search within their heart for the truth before jumping to any hasty conclusions.

The political intention of the coronavirus was twofold.

First, it was to divert the world's attention from what was happening on the Global stage, to their own countries economic and civil rights woes and it has done a bloody good job of getting people to fear the red spiky boogieman. All governments would rather have people focused on something "invisible" over what has been visible and glaringly obvious over these past three months (since the virus first appeared) and that is, all ASEAN Nations (including the USA) have been waging a maritime war with China over the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea, with China building hundreds of man-made islands in the South China Sea, very close to Malaysia, Vietnam and the Philippines, to use as military bases and then blocking one of the world's busiest maritime trade routes so that the supply chain to South East Asia can be under China's full control....the USA has just deployed another 100,000 troops to the region and Australia has sent in the Royal Navy...Vietnam has sent in their coast guards (after a Chinese warship rammed into a fishing boat within Vietnam's own territorial waters).... shots are being fired over the bows of all the ships as I type this.

So, the political purpose of the virus was to take the world's attention off the fact that China was covertly building military bases in international waters...and the second aim was to "weaken the enemy" so that if any major conflict came to pass, Chinese troops would have the advantage...I mean, notice how nobody got sick in Beijing or Shanghai which are right next door to Hubei?

It is time for people to wake the hell up and I don't only mean that in the spiritual sense (although that would be the preferable alternative) but to look at what the hell is going on in the world right now beyond "virus this" and beyond "economy that" and "regional politics whatever" because there is full transparency now.

No wonder all our leaders have been trying so hard to make us angry at them... because it is better than saying "our government is fighting a war we don't want to tell anybody about because the panic will be a million times worse than people running to the shop just to stockpile toilet paper.

At the moment, I am relaxing, breathing into my heart, focusing on my inner strength and faith because I also realise I am going to need more of it than I already have when the ultimate decision needs to be made...to die free and in the bliss of Siva or to live digitally enslaved to an Authoritarian regime should things go very badly here for mankind.

Slowly, I lose that fear of uncertainty.