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01 Jun 2020, 5:59 am

It should be illegal to be in favor of conscription.

The state should never decide what to do with innocent people's bodies. My body is my body, your body is your body, and so long as you or me are not engaging in any activities that are illegal, the state should never tell us what to do/work with/live with/go to war.

You can tell what NOT to do. But NEVER tell WHAT to do!

That's why I've held this opinion of punishment to anyone who is pro-conscription.

I don't care whether those pro-conscription are from the right or left of the political spectrum.



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01 Jun 2020, 6:13 am

How would you determine if a person is pro-conscription or not? Would you prefer a State in which the Thought Police enforces what you can and cannot think? Are you really afraid of what others may be thinking?


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01 Jun 2020, 6:20 am

Everybody who disagrees with my world view should go to jail! [/sarcasm]


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01 Jun 2020, 6:25 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
It should be illegal to be in favor of conscription.

The state should never decide what to do with innocent people's bodies. My body is my body, your body is your body, and so long as you or me are not engaging in any activities that are illegal, the state should never tell us what to do/work with/live with/go to war.

You can tell what NOT to do. But NEVER tell WHAT to do!

That's why I've held this opinion of punishment to anyone who is pro-conscription.

I don't care whether those pro-conscription are from the right or left of the political spectrum. They aren't considered human beings in my opinion.
The only country I know of with conscription is Israel,we have not had the draft since Vietnam ended,what's your worry.Your on this website so your probably autistic,so they wouldn't draft you anyway,in the Vietnam era bad knees would get you out of the draft.


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01 Jun 2020, 6:41 am

What is it with you and this fetish for thoughtcrime?


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01 Jun 2020, 7:39 am

Fnord wrote:
How would you determine if a person is pro-conscription or not?


Advocating in favor of conscription should be enough to get punished.

Fnord wrote:
Would you prefer a State in which the Thought Police enforces what you can and cannot think?


Yes and no. Some thoughts should be considered illegal, but since we cannot punish thoughts alone, what we can punish are the acts on these thoughts, such as writing or speaking in favor of conscription.

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Are you really afraid of what others may be thinking?[/color]


Yes.

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The only country I know of with conscription is Israel,we have not had the draft since Vietnam ended,what's your worry.Your on this website so your probably autistic,so they wouldn't draft you anyway,in the Vietnam era bad knees would get you out of the draft.


A lot of countries around the globe has conscription. I'm Danish, and ASD can get you out of the draft.
But that doesn't keep me from thinking conscription is immoral anyway.



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01 Jun 2020, 7:59 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
Yes and no. Some thoughts should be considered illegal, but since we cannot punish thoughts alone, what we can punish are the acts on these thoughts, such as writing or speaking in favor of conscription.

Historically, this approach has done a lot of horrible harm. I'm from the former Eastern Block and my parents well recall all the censorship.
I'm really glad my society got past it.


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01 Jun 2020, 8:02 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
Yes and no. Some thoughts should be considered illegal


Starting with this one. And seeing as you've now advocated for the idea as well, you should be punished.


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01 Jun 2020, 8:14 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
How would you determine if a person is pro-conscription or not?
Advocating in favor of conscription should be enough to get punished.
We Americans have this thing called "Freedom of Speech and Press" guaranteed in our constitution.  Now, I don't know how the Teutonic states run their regimes, but over here, a person cannot be arrested for what he or she says -- "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press".
thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Would you prefer a State in which the Thought Police enforces what you can and cannot think?
Yes and no. Some thoughts should be considered illegal, but since we cannot punish thoughts alone, what we can punish are the acts on these thoughts, such as writing or speaking in favor of conscription.
"Some thoughts should be considered illegal"?  Would you care to state, for the record, how many times in the past week alone someone has accused you of thoughts you didn't have?
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Are you really afraid of what others may be thinking?
Yes.
Well ... I'm sure that an appropriately-trained and licensed mental-health professional can help you deal with that.
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I'm Danish, and ASD can get you out of the draft.  But that doesn't keep me from thinking conscription is immoral anyway.
You could now, theoretically, be arrested for "Crimes Against The State"; especially if that State ever enacts conscription laws.


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01 Jun 2020, 8:24 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:

A lot of countries around the globe has conscription. I'm Danish, and ASD can get you out of the draft.
But that doesn't keep me from thinking conscription is immoral anyway.
I did not know that Denmark had a draft,which is embarrassing because I am a Danish American,my father was born in Seattle(which I'm sure you would know has a high Danish population)to Danish immigrants.There are not a lot of Danish where I live in Massachusetts,mostly Irish,Italian and portuguese,my mother was Irish though,she was born in Mass.

I did not know there was a draft in any European countries,however a person in the Danish army is not nearly as likely to see combat as someone in the Israeli army,where the middle east is a powder keg of conflict,and like you said,ASD would get you out of the draft anyway.What's the big paranoia then you know.The only thing I know about the Danish army is they drink Schnapps every year with the Canadian Army,in a symbolic joking war over Greenland.
But I am glad to hear your Danish though.


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01 Jun 2020, 9:05 am

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WrongPlanet rules forbid attacking groups of people because of their political views.

So “conscription should be banned” is obviously fine. But statements like:

thinkinginpictures wrote:
They aren't considered human beings in my opinion.

are not fine. This is literally dehumanising people because of their beliefs. Please do not make statements like this.

Now the question arises of whether it should ever be acceptable to advocate for people to be imprisoned because of their views. In this case the belief seems to be entirely sincere and it doesn’t obviously break any of the rules.



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01 Jun 2020, 9:08 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
It should be illegal to be in favor of conscription.

The state should never decide what to do with innocent people's bodies. My body is my body, your body is your body, and so long as you or me are not engaging in any activities that are illegal, the state should never tell us what to do/work with/live with/go to war.

You can tell what NOT to do. But NEVER tell WHAT to do!

That's why I've held this opinion of punishment to anyone who is pro-conscription.

I don't care whether those pro-conscription are from the right or left of the political spectrum. They aren't considered human beings in my opinion.


So basically you're entitled to believe what you believe, but folks who disagree should be punished?

That's not hypocritical in the slightest. :lol:


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01 Jun 2020, 9:11 am

The_Walrus wrote:
WrongPlanet rules forbid attacking groups of people because of their political views.

thinkinginpictures wrote:
They aren't considered human beings in my opinion.


are not fine. This is literally dehumanising people because of their beliefs. Please do not make statements like this.


Sorry, I actually edited my OP before any replies, to better suit the rules of this forum, but I forgot to delete that one sentence. I'm sorry, should've been more careful when editing.

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What is it with you and this fetish for thoughtcrime?


I want to stop/prevent slavery/conscription by banning certain political opinions.

You can't have liberty, forget about it. It's how we manage the control of the population that matters.

If I had the choice between doing military service, but granted the right to say what I think anytime I want,
or live a quiet life without being forced to do something I don't want to, but in return have to live with widespread censorship, I prefer the latter.

I find it quite ironic that libertarians and conservatives talk about taxation being "theft" almost never think of conscription as a form of slavery.

Why do they accept forced labor, but refuse to pay taxes?

If I could get away with only paying taxes, and otherwise do nothing besides that, that's good.



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01 Jun 2020, 9:17 am

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I want to stop/prevent slavery/conscription by banning certain political opinions...
That didn't work for the Holy Roman Empire, it didn't work for the Puritans, and it didn't work for the Soviet Union.  So what makes you think it would work for you?


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01 Jun 2020, 9:23 am

Fnord wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
I want to stop/prevent slavery/conscription by banning certain political opinions...
That didn't work for the Holy Roman Empire, it didn't work for the Puritans, and it didn't work for the Soviet Union.  So what makes you think it would work for you?


The Soviet Union, Puritans and Holy Roman Empire all had conscription.
They enforced it. They wanted it.

It has never in history been tried to do the opposite: To forbid people speaking in favor of conscription.
Any authoritarian regime which has existed or do exist this day, ban anti-conscription speeches.

But I've yet to see an authoritarian regime doing the opposite.



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01 Jun 2020, 9:26 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
I want to stop/prevent slavery/conscription by banning certain political opinions...
That didn't work for the Holy Roman Empire, it didn't work for the Puritans, and it didn't work for the Soviet Union.  So what makes you think it would work for you?


The Soviet Union, Puritans and Holy Roman Empire all had conscription.
They enforced it. They wanted it.

It has never in history been tried to do the opposite: To forbid people speaking in favor of conscription.
Any authoritarian regime which has existed or do exist this day, ban anti-conscription speeches.

But I've yet to see an authoritarian regime doing the opposite.


Yours might be the first, because it will certainly be a totalitarian regime if you feel entitled to police others thoughts.


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