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13 Feb 2023, 4:56 am

The Asian guy shouldn’t have been expelled.

That seminar seemed like 1984 to me.

Rather like Trumpian methods to divert from what is true.



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13 Feb 2023, 3:40 pm

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The Asian guy shouldn’t have been expelled.
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I think he was deliberately trying to provoke the professor rather than enlighten the class. I know the Asian mind very well. If they are paying fees to attend a private school or college they would prefer a white professor.



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16 Mar 2023, 12:11 pm

Dogs—t’: Federal Judge Decries Disruption of His Remarks by Stanford Law Students and Calls for Termination of the Stanford Dean Who Joined the Mob

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Fifth Circuit appellate judge Stuart Kyle Duncan, who was shouted down by Stanford Law School students as administrators looked on in silence, says the protesters behaved like "dogshit."

Now, in an interview with the Washington Free Beacon, Duncan is calling on the school to discipline the students who disrupted his talk and to fire the school’s associate dean of diversity, equity, and inclusion, who stepped in during the event to chastise him and deliver what the judge described as a "bizarre therapy session from hell."

Duncan’s remarks come after nearly a hundred students at Stanford Law School disrupted his remarks in brazen violation of Stanford University’s free speech policies.

One source of the students’ ire was Duncan’s refusal, in a 2020 opinion, to use a transgender sex offender’s preferred pronouns. The Stanford event, which was sponsored by the law school’s chapter of the Federalist Society, got so out of hand that federal marshals eventually escorted Duncan from the building.

Tirien Steinbach, the school’s diversity dean, arrived on the scene when Duncan himself asked for an administrator to restore order. She then took to the podium and, in a video that has now circulated widely online, accused the judge of causing "harm."

"Your opinions from the bench land as absolute disenfranchisement" of the students’ rights, Steinbach said, accusing him of "tearing the fabric of this community."

"Do you have something so incredibly important to say," she asked him, that it is worth the "division of these people?"

Duncan warned that what happens at Stanford, long the second-ranked law school in the country, behind Yale, is unlikely to stay there. "If enough of these kids get into the legal profession," he said, "the rule of law will descend into barbarism."

Neither Steinbach nor Jenny Martinez, the dean of Stanford Law School, responded to a request for comment.
The protest is perhaps the most extreme example yet of law students shouting down conservative speakers. A similar incident occurred at Yale Law School last year when Kristen Waggoner, a prominent Supreme Court litigator, was drowned out by hundreds of students protesting her views on transgender issues. Also last year, students at the University of California-Hastings disrupted a talk with the libertarian law professor Ilya Shapiro, shrieking and jeering each time he opened his mouth.

The tactics used against Duncan were nearly identical. Nearly everyone in the room showed up to disrupt the proceeding, according to Duncan and two members of the Federalist Society, and many of the hundred or so students on hand were holding profane signs, including one that declared: "Duncan can’t find the clit."

Each time Duncan began to speak, the protesters would heckle him with insults, shouting things like "scumbag!" and "you’re a liar!"

The din became so loud that Duncan asked for an administrator to keep order, according to video of the event. That’s when Steinbach, the associate diversity dean, delivered her remarks. While she reminded students of the law school’s free speech policies, which prohibit the disruption of speakers, she proceeded to stand by while students continued to heckle Duncan, videos from the event show.

She also expressed sympathy for students who wanted to "reconsider" those free speech policies, given the "harm" Duncan’s appearance had caused.

Eventually, one of the leaders of the protest instructed the students to "tone down the heckling slightly so we can get to our questions," a video obtained by the Free Beacon shows. So began a contentious question and answer session between Duncan, who never got to read his prepared remarks, and his critics, who continued to disrupt and jeer as he spoke.

The students appeared to have little familiarity with Duncan’s jurisprudence. Some accused him of suppressing the voting rights of African Americans, Duncan said—only to cite a case in which Duncan had actually dissented from the majority.

Other questions were less academic. "I f**k men, I can find the prostate," one student asked, according to Rosenberger. "Why can’t you find the clit?"

Duncan was escorted out of a back door by federal marshals, who told him, he said, that they were there to "protect" him.

The meltdown followed a weeklong pressure campaign against members of the Federalist Society, who were personally named and shamed by campus activists.

The public shaming continued the day of the event. As Duncan was being whisked away by marshals, protesters encircled members of the Federalist Society and hurled invective at them, Rosenberg and another Federalist Society member said.

Such tactics have become par for the course at elite law schools. The Yale Law students protesting Waggoner likewise sought to shame the Federalist Society, which had invited her, with posters littered throughout the school.
"Through your attendance" at the event, the posters said, "you are personally complicit, along with the Federalist Society."

For Duncan, the attempt to shame individual students was the most disturbing part of the Stanford imbroglio.
"Don’t feel sorry for me," he said. "I’m a life-tenured federal judge. What outrages me is that these kids are being treated like dogshit by fellow students and administrators."


Student Activists Target Stanford Law School Dean in Revolt Over Her Apology
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Hundreds of Stanford student activists on Monday lined the hallways to protest the law school’s dean, Jenny Martinez, for apologizing to Fifth Circuit appellate judge Kyle Duncan, whom the activists shouted down last week.

The embattled dean arrived to the classroom where she teaches constitutional law to find a whiteboard covered inch to inch in fliers attacking Duncan and defending those who disrupted him, according to photos of the room and multiple eyewitness accounts. The fliers parroted the argument, made by student activists, that the heckler’s veto is a form of free speech.

"We, the students in your constitutional law class, are sorry for exercising our 1st Amendment rights," some fliers read. As a private law school, Stanford is not bound by the First Amendment, though California state law does apply some First Amendment protections to private universities.

The protest followed a flurry of open letters from student activists, who spent much of the weekend berating Martinez after she and Stanford University president Marc Tessier-Lavigne issued a formal apology to Duncan condemning the students who disrupted his talk and the administrators who stood by silently and watched them do so.

The apology also took a swipe at Tirien Steinbach, the law school’s associate dean of diversity, equity, and inclusion, who interrupted Duncan to lecture him about the "harm" he’d caused.

When Martinez’s class adjourned on Monday, the protesters, dressed in black and wearing face masks that read "counter-speech is free speech," stared silently at Martinez as she exited her first-year constitutional law class at 11:00 a.m., according to five students who witnessed the episode. The student protesters, who formed a human corridor from Martinez’s classroom to the building’s exit, comprised nearly a third of the law school, the students told the Washington Free Beacon.

The majority of Martinez’s class—approximately 50 students out of the 60 enrolled—participated in the protest themselves, two students in the class said. The few who didn’t join the protesters received the same stare down as their professor as they hurried through the makeshift walk of shame.

This protest was even larger than the one that disrupted Duncan’s talk, and came on the heels of statements from at least three student groups rebuking Martinez’s apology.

The Stanford National Lawyers Guild said Saturday that Martinez had thrown "capable and compassionate administrators" under the bus. The law school’s Immigration & Human Rights Law Association issued a similar declaration on Sunday, writing to its mailing list that Stanford’s apology to Duncan "has only made this situation worse." And Stanford Law School’s chapter of the American Constitution Society expressed outrage that Martinez and Tessier-Lavigne had framed Duncan "as a victim, when in fact he himself had made civil dialogue impossible."

The groups argued that the students who disrupted Duncan, in violation of Stanford’s free speech policies, were merely exercising their own free speech rights. That disruption, one student said, was coordinated by second-year law student Denni Arnold, who can be seen on video instructing protesters to "tone down the heckling slightly so we can get to our questions."

Arnold did not respond to a request for comment.

The idea that the protesters were exercising their free speech—rather than shutting down someone else’s—appears to be shared by Steinbach, the diversity dean who harangued Duncan.

Steinbach, who did not respond to a request for comment, laid the blame for the chaos entirely at Duncan’s feet, the people who witnessed the conversation said.

Martinez said at the start of her class that she had received a number of emails complaining about her apology to Duncan but told students they would not be litigating that dispute during Monday’s class.

After Martinez left the building, Schumacher said, the protesters began to cheer, cry, and hug. "We are creating a hostile environment at this law school," Schumacher said—"hostile for anyone who thinks an Article III judge should be able to speak without heckling."

If I was a head of a law firm or even a progressive advocacy legal team I would be reluctant to hire from Stanford Law School for any position where they have to appear in court or be in the same room with opposing council. They have to be to handle being contested, that is the job description.

Slate claimed the this was a setup by Judge Duncan. Based on the video of the original incident I think they are right. Duncan spent most of the time smirking. Did not Stanford Law school teach their students that part of their job is to research opposing lawyers to find weaknesses to exploit? If I was a lawyer opposing a recent Stanford Law School grad I would be using as many microagressions as I could get away with.

Speaking of research if you are going to confront somebody, confront what they actually did. You are preparing to be a lawyer for God’s sake.


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16 Mar 2023, 2:44 pm

For those with little patience to read a full legal article the relevant trigger for the student protests was this....

One source of the students’ ire was Duncan’s refusal, in a 2020 opinion, to use a transgender sex offender’s preferred pronouns. The Stanford event, which was sponsored by the law school’s chapter of the Federalist Society, got so out of hand that federal marshals eventually escorted Duncan from the building.

I think in a seminar it's possible to stumble over pronouns (heck I wouldn't know what to say) but for a written "op ed" I would have thought a simple google search would have been enough.

I'll mention again the oft quoted line from a Dave Chappelle skit, "how much do I have to participate in your self-image"?. Whether it be indigenous people, trans, disabled or other minority groups, language does matter. The imposition of a minority status is the action of the majority so the responsibility to therefore accommodate the pronouns are for the majority as they imposed the status (not the minority) in the first place.

To openly oppose pronouns using the validation from "free speech" reminds me of cancelled Dilbert cartoonist Scott Adams attempting to claim he self-sabotaged his own reputation in order to demonstrate that people had a right to openly say racist things. Duncan in this case is reserving his right (under the banner of free speech) to not acknowledge the self-identity of trans people (even if the person he referred to was a sex offender). What it boils down to is denigrating the self-identity of an already oppressed marginalised group.

Some body who is an "intellectual" who also is unable to make a simple adjustment to accommodate a community is ultimately passing judgement based on their ingrained values.



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23 Mar 2023, 9:28 pm

'White fragility' author warns people of color to 'get away from White people'

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Robin DiAngelo, author of the New York Times' bestseller "White Fragility," suggested part of racial justice and progress meant going back to racial segregation.

"People of color need to get away from White people and have some community with each other," she said in the March 1 webinar entitled, "Racial Justice: The Next Frontier."

What I want to do is create a culture that actually spits out those who are resistant," she said.

The left-wing activist was on a panel with Diversity, Equity and Inclusion ("DEI") consultants Mary-Frances Winters and Mareisha N. Reese discussing the future of DEI when she made these comments.

DiAngelo was once one of the most sought-after voices from liberal media outlets to comment on racism and promote Critical Race Theory ideas.

Conservative podcast host Allie Beth Stuckey said DiAngelo's comments sounded like racial comments made by Dilbert creator, Scott Adams recently that caused several newspapers to pull his long-running cartoon.

"When Robin DiAngelo says it, it’s inspirational and she gets paid $20k. When Scott Adams says it, it’s racist and he loses his job," she tweeted.


Woke’ DOD official Kelisa Wing reassigned
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Self-described “woke” Defense Department schools official Kelisa Wing, whose anti-white social media comments garnered national attention last fall, has been reassigned to an unrelated role, The Post has learned.

The Defense Dept. in October launched a 30-day review of Wing – the now-former Education Activity chief diversity equity and inclusion officer – after her Twitter posts with disparaging comments about white people resurfaced.

“I’m so exhausted at these white folx in these [professional development] sessions this lady actually had the CAUdacity to say black people can be racist too,” she wrote in one post from June 2020, using a portmanteau for “Caucasian audacity.”

While Wing’s job change came after the DoD completed its review, Undersecretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness Gilbert Cisneros Jr. said it took place not as a “disciplinary action,” but instead “as part of a headquarters restructuring.”

But at a House Military Personnel Subcommittee hearing on the impacts of “diversity, equity, and inclusion” in the DoD and military, Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) said she was skeptical that the job change was made purely for reorganizational reasons.

I have a feeling that has to do with the fact that we [Republicans] have shined light on this,” she said.


This is the full tweet
"“I’m exhausted with these white folx in these [professional development] sessions [T]his lady actually had the CAUdacity to say that black people can be racist too … I had to stop the session and give Karen the BUSINESS … [W]e are not the majority, we don’t have power,”

I showed the full tweet to because it describes the core tenants of wokeness. Wokeness is not some made-up thing by racists to hide their racism as too many on the left claim, nor is it anything conservatives disagree with, or adding a non hertro white cis male cast member which too many on the right scream "woke" about. Those conservatives are doing the left's work for them by creating a "boy cried wolf" effect.

Wing was disciplined. And DeAngelo appears to have been canceled by the non right media that did so much of her Public Relations work for her.

DeAngelo is a woke variation of a typical huckster. She took advantage of the guilt and feeling among many whites that they truly did not get it in the wake of the George Floyd murder. At one point she was one of the most in-demand highly-paid speakers. She caused a lot of damage. I have to give her credit for one thing, she sold internalized racism to the majority group.


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23 Mar 2023, 9:31 pm

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'White fragility' author warns people of color to 'get away from White people'
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Robin DiAngelo, author of the New York Times' bestseller "White Fragility," suggested part of racial justice and progress meant going back to racial segregation.

"People of color need to get away from White people and have some community with each other," she said in the March 1 webinar entitled, "Racial Justice: The Next Frontier."

What I want to do is create a culture that actually spits out those who are resistant," she said.

The left-wing activist was on a panel with Diversity, Equity and Inclusion ("DEI") consultants Mary-Frances Winters and Mareisha N. Reese discussing the future of DEI when she made these comments.

DiAngelo was once one of the most sought-after voices from liberal media outlets to comment on racism and promote Critical Race Theory ideas.

Conservative podcast host Allie Beth Stuckey said DiAngelo's comments sounded like racial comments made by Dilbert creator, Scott Adams recently that caused several newspapers to pull his long-running cartoon.

"When Robin DiAngelo says it, it’s inspirational and she gets paid $20k. When Scott Adams says it, it’s racist and he loses his job," she tweeted.


They do sound shockingly similar. 8O


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23 Mar 2023, 9:59 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
'White fragility' author warns people of color to 'get away from White people'
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Robin DiAngelo, author of the New York Times' bestseller "White Fragility," suggested part of racial justice and progress meant going back to racial segregation.

"People of color need to get away from White people and have some community with each other," she said in the March 1 webinar entitled, "Racial Justice: The Next Frontier."

What I want to do is create a culture that actually spits out those who are resistant," she said.

The left-wing activist was on a panel with Diversity, Equity and Inclusion ("DEI") consultants Mary-Frances Winters and Mareisha N. Reese discussing the future of DEI when she made these comments.

DiAngelo was once one of the most sought-after voices from liberal media outlets to comment on racism and promote Critical Race Theory ideas.

Conservative podcast host Allie Beth Stuckey said DiAngelo's comments sounded like racial comments made by Dilbert creator, Scott Adams recently that caused several newspapers to pull his long-running cartoon.



Let us see if any double standards eventuate.



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Pepe wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
'White fragility' author warns people of color to 'get away from White people'
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Robin DiAngelo, author of the New York Times' bestseller "White Fragility," suggested part of racial justice and progress meant going back to racial segregation.

"People of color need to get away from White people and have some community with each other," she said in the March 1 webinar entitled, "Racial Justice: The Next Frontier."

What I want to do is create a culture that actually spits out those who are resistant," she said.

The left-wing activist was on a panel with Diversity, Equity and Inclusion ("DEI") consultants Mary-Frances Winters and Mareisha N. Reese discussing the future of DEI when she made these comments.

DiAngelo was once one of the most sought-after voices from liberal media outlets to comment on racism and promote Critical Race Theory ideas.

Conservative podcast host Allie Beth Stuckey said DiAngelo's comments sounded like racial comments made by Dilbert creator, Scott Adams recently that caused several newspapers to pull his long-running cartoon.



Let us see if any double standards eventuate.


They have, check my post on this page.


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24 Mar 2023, 7:22 pm

Have you started a thread on this book by Di Angelo yet? it's quite a seminal work



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24 Mar 2023, 8:05 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Pepe wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
'White fragility' author warns people of color to 'get away from White people'
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Robin DiAngelo, author of the New York Times' bestseller "White Fragility," suggested part of racial justice and progress meant going back to racial segregation.

"People of color need to get away from White people and have some community with each other," she said in the March 1 webinar entitled, "Racial Justice: The Next Frontier."

What I want to do is create a culture that actually spits out those who are resistant," she said.

The left-wing activist was on a panel with Diversity, Equity and Inclusion ("DEI") consultants Mary-Frances Winters and Mareisha N. Reese discussing the future of DEI when she made these comments.

DiAngelo was once one of the most sought-after voices from liberal media outlets to comment on racism and promote Critical Race Theory ideas.

Conservative podcast host Allie Beth Stuckey said DiAngelo's comments sounded like racial comments made by Dilbert creator, Scott Adams recently that caused several newspapers to pull his long-running cartoon.



Let us see if any double standards eventuate.


They have, check my post on this page.


I was referring to the media coverage.



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Pepe wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Pepe wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
'White fragility' author warns people of color to 'get away from White people'
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Robin DiAngelo, author of the New York Times' bestseller "White Fragility," suggested part of racial justice and progress meant going back to racial segregation.

"People of color need to get away from White people and have some community with each other," she said in the March 1 webinar entitled, "Racial Justice: The Next Frontier."

What I want to do is create a culture that actually spits out those who are resistant," she said.

The left-wing activist was on a panel with Diversity, Equity and Inclusion ("DEI") consultants Mary-Frances Winters and Mareisha N. Reese discussing the future of DEI when she made these comments.

DiAngelo was once one of the most sought-after voices from liberal media outlets to comment on racism and promote Critical Race Theory ideas.

Conservative podcast host Allie Beth Stuckey said DiAngelo's comments sounded like racial comments made by Dilbert creator, Scott Adams recently that caused several newspapers to pull his long-running cartoon.



Let us see if any double standards eventuate.


They have, check my post on this page.


I was referring to the media coverage.

I did mention the media and double standards "And DeAngelo appears to have been canceled by the non right media that did so much of her Public Relations work for her"


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I did mention the media and double standards "And DeAngelo appears to have been canceled by the non right media that did so much of her Public Relations work for her"


Are you saying because of one non-right outlet having problems with DeAngelo, there is the universal condemnation by the left of politics?
(This is where the "double standards" kicks in.)
I am not sure what "the sticking point" here is.

I will try again:
How universal is this condemnation of DeAngelo by the left-wing media?
I REALLY don't know.
If I feel inclined, I might research it myself.



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Pepe wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
I did mention the media and double standards "And DeAngelo appears to have been canceled by the non right media that did so much of her Public Relations work for her"


Are you saying because of one non-right outlet having problems with DeAngelo, there is the universal condemnation by the left of politics?
(This is where the "double standards" kicks in.)
I am not sure what "the sticking point" here is.

I will try again:
How universal is this condemnation of DeAngelo by the left-wing media?
I REALLY don't know.
If I feel inclined, I might research it myself.

Actions speak louder then words. They have not condemned her. They are ignoring her and have not written about what she said, ie canceled her. They were quite happy to publicize it when the Dilbert cartoonist said something similar. That is a double standard.


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27 Mar 2023, 6:04 am

Bethany Mandel, a prominent conservative author of many anti-woke literature and the most prominet campaigner against CRT in schools finds herself in a bit of a bind when after writing hundreds of articles she was asked.....to define wokeness....and here's her response



My response :roll:

I mean this must be the final nail in the coffin for the intellectual basis for the anti-woke movement.
They just make white Americans look stupid



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27 Mar 2023, 6:12 am

Looks like Mandel has become the laughing stock of the entire western world
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/20 ... rview.html



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ASPartOfMe wrote:
Pepe wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
I did mention the media and double standards "And DeAngelo appears to have been canceled by the non right media that did so much of her Public Relations work for her"


Are you saying because of one non-right outlet having problems with DeAngelo, there is the universal condemnation by the left of politics?
(This is where the "double standards" kicks in.)
I am not sure what "the sticking point" here is.

I will try again:
How universal is this condemnation of DeAngelo by the left-wing media?
I REALLY don't know.
If I feel inclined, I might research it myself.

Actions speak louder then words. They have not condemned her. They are ignoring her and have not written about what she said, ie canceled her. They were quite happy to publicize it when the Dilbert cartoonist said something similar. That is a double standard.


That is PRECISELY what I expected.
I would be surprised if the hyperpartisan right didn't do the same.

"Clowns", the bunch of them if one respects the Truth. 8)