Why is Canada following in the defunding police movement?

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14 Jun 2020, 1:43 am

Where I live Canadians are protesting all over different cities now wanting police departments to be defunded.

Now I don't mean to sound insensitive when I say this. The murder of George Floyd was tragic and I don't mean for this too sound insensitive.

But what does Canada have to do with it? I support people's right to peacefully protest, but Canadians should only be protesting about Canadian issues. Why are Canadians protesting about an American issue? Especially since they are breaking the law regarding covid safety by doing so.

Is it because they are just people wanting the police defunded, so they can hopefully commit more crimes in the future without as many chances of being caught? Or what's the reason?



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14 Jun 2020, 2:16 am

George Floyd's death was the match that lit the already built up fire, wasn't it? The problems with the police force had been piling up for years. I don't know how well the law enforcement system works in Canada, but if it's as bad as it seems to be in the USA, I can see why Canadians would like to see something done about it. However, I think that defunding the police is a bad move in both countries. What it needs is reforming, not defunding! For starters, police officers should get proper training: I've read that police officers in the USA only study about it half a year. Six freaking months! Where I'm from it's three YEARS and this country is way safer than the USA. Honestly, considering how dangerous the job is over there, how small the pay is when considering the danger and how little education they get, it's not weird at all that the police officers keep screwing up.



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14 Jun 2020, 2:44 am

Oh okay, but again without sending insensitive, why did the Canadians need a foreign tragedy to light their fire. It just seems strange?



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15 Jun 2020, 12:21 am

It's because systemic racism isn't just an American issue, it's a World issue.


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15 Jun 2020, 1:59 am

But if it is a world issue, that effects Canada, then why didn't Canadians become interested in fighting the issue until after an American tragedy happened? Funny how Canadians needed an American tragedy to make them want to address such a problem.



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16 Jun 2020, 1:51 am

ironpony wrote:
But if it is a world issue, that effects Canada, then why didn't Canadians become interested in fighting the issue until after an American tragedy happened? Funny how Canadians needed an American tragedy to make them want to address such a problem.


Canadians often are under the impression that racism isn't a problem here and that's why when it's brought up we so quickly pivot to discussing it within the US. Sadly our fixation with the US has made us not realize it's an issue here as well until motivated by something we saw elsewhere.

Canadian governments also waste money on policing that would be better invested into funding other services and no longer obliging police to deal with those matters, freeing them up to focus on actual police work. Why wouldn't we consider the same solution if we share the same problem?


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16 Jun 2020, 10:44 pm

Well it's just if over-funding the police has been a problem in Canada for years, then why are Canadians only speaking about it now, after the Americans brought it up?



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17 Jun 2020, 12:11 am

ironpony wrote:
Well it's just if over-funding the police has been a problem in Canada for years, then why are Canadians only speaking about it now, after the Americans brought it up?



Because all the noise from downstairs makes Canadians struggle to hear our own thoughts. Our media talks about Donald Trump instead of violence in the city from the cops.


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17 Jun 2020, 12:25 am

ironpony wrote:
But what does Canada have to do with it? I support people's right to peacefully protest, but Canadians should only be protesting about Canadian issues. Why are Canadians protesting about an American issue? Especially since they are breaking the law regarding covid safety by doing so.


Canada has a long and racist history of legislative and police brutality as well. Think of Indigenous / Métis abuse, residential schools, Japanese internment, and POW camps, not to mention systemic crime against the black community.

Racism sees no borders.


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17 Jun 2020, 12:49 am

Oh yeah, I'm not saying Canada is perfect by along shot, I just feel that if people want to protest against a problem here, then they should do it on their own terms, rather than trying to follow in an American movement.



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17 Jun 2020, 1:09 am

i am grateful that canadians care about our problems, and would never second-guess them in their concern. :heart:



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17 Jun 2020, 1:35 am

ironpony wrote:
Oh yeah, I'm not saying Canada is perfect by along shot, I just feel that if people want to protest against a problem here, then they should do it on their own terms, rather than trying to follow in an American movement.


If the problem is a trend across 'the West" why wouldn't they support each other?

I'm Canadian and Abenaki, should I not stand side by side with my Abenaki cousins in Vermont?


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17 Jun 2020, 1:38 am

auntblabby wrote:
i am grateful that canadians care about our problems, and would never second-guess them in their concern. :heart:


America is like, the fictional land we only see on TV, we don't want you guys to become a miserable dystopia ran by a madman. And it allows us to discuss our problems openly without owning them, which is something white liberals love to do.


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17 Jun 2020, 1:46 am

funeralxempire wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Oh yeah, I'm not saying Canada is perfect by along shot, I just feel that if people want to protest against a problem here, then they should do it on their own terms, rather than trying to follow in an American movement.


If the problem is a trend across 'the West" why wouldn't they support each other?

I'm Canadian and Abenaki, should I not stand side by side with my Abenaki cousins in Vermont?


But I don't think defunding Canadian police departments helps US though. If Canadians want to do it out of our own interests, then do it, but do it on our own terms, and don't pretend we are doing it to help US.



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17 Jun 2020, 1:49 am

ironpony wrote:
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ironpony wrote:
Oh yeah, I'm not saying Canada is perfect by along shot, I just feel that if people want to protest against a problem here, then they should do it on their own terms, rather than trying to follow in an American movement.


If the problem is a trend across 'the West" why wouldn't they support each other?

I'm Canadian and Abenaki, should I not stand side by side with my Abenaki cousins in Vermont?


But I don't think defunding Canadian police departments helps US though. If Canadians want to do it out of our own interests, then do it, but do it on our own terms, and don't pretend we are doing it to help US.


This is the point in the conversation I do the 'airplane' motion to indicate it went over your head.

If the problem is a trend across 'the West" why wouldn't they support each other?

We're not doing it to help the US or pretending it's to help the US; we're doing it to help ourselves on our own terms. It's sad that protests in the US were what was needed to get Canadians motivated because (many, especially liberal) white Canadians always talk about how racist they consider white Americans to be before going on to spout their own variations on it.


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17 Jun 2020, 1:51 am

Oh okay, well if this has been a problem across Canada for sometime, then why did Canadians only take it seriously after an American was murdered then? Why didn't Canadians start protesting before?