Does Vladimir Putin have traits of Asperger's Syndrome?

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Richard2989
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30 Jul 2020, 4:41 pm

just curious.



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30 Jul 2020, 4:43 pm

Either way, people making lots of associations between stoic sociopaths & people who just have a hard time socially isn't going to go over well here.


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30 Jul 2020, 5:00 pm

Asperger's Syndrome No Longer Has Separate Diagnostic Criteria in the U.S.; Subsumed Under Autism Spectrum Disorder:

It's Very Easy to See that Vladmir Putin DOES NOT COME CLOSE TO HAVING SYMPTOMS OF AUTISM
SPECTRUM DISORDER in Behavioral Evidence From looking over this Diagnostic Criteria; As Without this
Diagnostic Criteria, There is No Behavioral Assessment for The Diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorder, in the U.S.

"Diagnostic Criteria for 299.00 Autism Spectrum Disorder:

Persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction across multiple contexts, as manifested by the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive; see text):

'Putin is as slick as Oil' (Nothing stops him per this deficit)

Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, ranging, for example, from abnormal social approach and failure of normal back-and-forth conversation; to reduced sharing of interests, emotions, or affect; to failure to initiate or respond to social interactions.

Putin is as slick as Oil.

Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction, ranging, for example, from poorly integrated verbal and nonverbal communication; to abnormalities in eye contact and body language or deficits in understanding and use of gestures; to a total lack of facial expressions and nonverbal communication.

Putin is as slick as Oil.

Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understand relationships, ranging, for example, from difficulties adjusting behavior to suit various social contexts; to difficulties in sharing imaginative play or in making friends; to absence of interest in peers.

Putin is Well Connected And 'As Slick as Oil.

Specify current severity:

Severity is based on social communication impairments and restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior.

Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities, as manifested by at least two of the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive; see text):

Being A Leader of a Country, successfully at least, requires a Jack of a Lot of Trades; He stays in the 'Position'.

Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, use of objects, or speech (e.g., simple motor stereotypes, lining up toys or flipping objects, echolalia, idiosyncratic phrases).

No.

Insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines, or ritualized patterns of verbal or nonverbal behavior (e.g., extreme distress at small changes, difficulties with transitions, rigid thinking patterns, greeting rituals, need to take same route or eat same food every day).

No.

Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus (e.g., strong attachment to or preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively circumscribed or perseverative interests).

No.

Hyper- or hyporeactivity to sensory input or unusual interest in sensory aspects of the environment (e.g. apparent indifference to pain/temperature, adverse response to specific sounds or textures, excessive smelling or touching of objects, visual fascination with lights or movement).

No Evidence of it.

No need to go any further than this in analysis.

Conclusion: No.

Specify current severity:

Severity is based on social communication impairments and restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior.

Symptoms must be present in the early developmental period (but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities, or may be masked by learned strategies in later life).

Symptoms cause clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of current functioning.
These disturbances are not better explained by intellectual disability (intellectual developmental disorder) or global developmental delay. Intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder frequently co-occur; to make comorbid diagnoses of autism spectrum disorder and intellectual disability, social communication should be below that expected for general developmental level.

Note: Individuals with a well-established DSM-IV diagnosis of autistic disorder, Asperger’s disorder, or pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified should be given the diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder. Individuals who have marked deficits in social communication, but whose symptoms do not otherwise meet criteria for autism spectrum disorder, should be evaluated for social (pragmatic) communication disorder.

Specify if:

With or without accompanying intellectual impairment With or without accompanying language impairment

Associated with a known medical or genetic condition or environmental factor

(Coding note: Use additional code to identify the associated medical or genetic condition.)

Associated with another neurodevelopmental, mental, or behavioral disorder

(Coding note: Use additional code[s] to identify the associated neurodevelopmental, mental, or behavioral disorder[s].

With catatonia (refer to the criteria for catatonia associated with another mental disorder)

(Coding note: Use additional code 293.89 catatonia associated with autism spectrum disorder to indicate the presence of the comorbid catatonia.)"

It's Also Worth Noting that individuals on the Autism Spectrum May Adapt and Overcome
All the Reciprocal Social Communication Difficulties; and Just Be Left with Repetitive, Restricted
Narrow Special Interests that they are extremely laser focused on; If this were not the
Case; it's highly unlikely there would a Sistine Chapel Painting; and it's worth noting
this propensity to begin with; without a History of the Other
Reciprocation Social Communication Difficulties
is Not Evidence of Autism Spectrum Disorder.

No one would ever guess now that i was
a Non-Verbal Autistic Child Until Age 4;
But With Fluid Intelligence, just
about anything is
subject
to change;
the Laser Focus
in what i do, in short: NO.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/hcp-dsm.html


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30 Jul 2020, 5:02 pm

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In February 2015, the Pentagon released a report profiling Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, President of the Russian Federation. In the think tank report, a team of researchers claimed that Putin carries the high-functioning form of autism: Asperger’s syndrome. In the report released to the US military’s Office of Net Assessment, Dr. Stephen Porges, a professor of psychiatry at the University of North Carolina, stated: “Putin carries a form of autism. Neurological development was significantly interrupted in infancy.”

The Pentagon report was refuted by officials close to the Russian President, however, some academics still theorize the neurodevelopmental disorder best fits most of his political decisions and actions. And some online media still associate the report as likely.


https://www.mentaldaily.com/article/201 ... -aspergers



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30 Jul 2020, 5:20 pm

Throwaway3 wrote:
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In February 2015, the Pentagon released a report profiling Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, President of the Russian Federation. In the think tank report, a team of researchers claimed that Putin carries the high-functioning form of autism: Asperger’s syndrome. In the report released to the US military’s Office of Net Assessment, Dr. Stephen Porges, a professor of psychiatry at the University of North Carolina, stated: “Putin carries a form of autism. Neurological development was significantly interrupted in infancy.”

The Pentagon report was refuted by officials close to the Russian President, however, some academics still theorize the neurodevelopmental disorder best fits most of his political decisions and actions. And some online media still associate the report as likely.


https://www.mentaldaily.com/article/201 ... -aspergers


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... /22855927/

Nope; You can't diagnosis Autism, Based on a Movement assessment alone; You Can theorize; but you can't diagnose.

"Researchers can't prove their theory about Putin and Asperger's, the report said, because they were not able to perform a brain scan on the Russian president. The report cites work by autism specialists as backing their findings. It is not known whether the research has been acted on by Pentagon or administration officials.

The 2008 report cites Dr. Stephen Porges, who is now a University of North Carolina psychiatry professor, as concluding that "Putin carries a form of autism." However, Porges said Wednesday he had never seen the finished report and "would back off saying he has Asperger's."


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30 Jul 2020, 5:23 pm

aghogday wrote:
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In February 2015, the Pentagon released a report profiling Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, President of the Russian Federation. In the think tank report, a team of researchers claimed that Putin carries the high-functioning form of autism: Asperger’s syndrome. In the report released to the US military’s Office of Net Assessment, Dr. Stephen Porges, a professor of psychiatry at the University of North Carolina, stated: “Putin carries a form of autism. Neurological development was significantly interrupted in infancy.”

The Pentagon report was refuted by officials close to the Russian President, however, some academics still theorize the neurodevelopmental disorder best fits most of his political decisions and actions. And some online media still associate the report as likely.


https://www.mentaldaily.com/article/201 ... -aspergers


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... /22855927/

Nope; You can't diagnosis Autism, Based on a Movement assessment alone; You Can theorize; but you can't diagnose.

"Researchers can't prove their theory about Putin and Asperger's, the report said, because they were not able to perform a brain scan on the Russian president. The report cites work by autism specialists as backing their findings. It is not known whether the research has been acted on by Pentagon or administration officials.

The 2008 report cites Dr. Stephen Porges, who is now a University of North Carolina psychiatry professor, as concluding that "Putin carries a form of autism." However, Porges said Wednesday he had never seen the finished report and "would back off saying he has Asperger's."


I was just putting the proverbial cat among the pigeons :twisted:

P.s Don't ever change dude :D



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30 Jul 2020, 5:27 pm

Throwaway3 wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Throwaway3 wrote:
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In February 2015, the Pentagon released a report profiling Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, President of the Russian Federation. In the think tank report, a team of researchers claimed that Putin carries the high-functioning form of autism: Asperger’s syndrome. In the report released to the US military’s Office of Net Assessment, Dr. Stephen Porges, a professor of psychiatry at the University of North Carolina, stated: “Putin carries a form of autism. Neurological development was significantly interrupted in infancy.”

The Pentagon report was refuted by officials close to the Russian President, however, some academics still theorize the neurodevelopmental disorder best fits most of his political decisions and actions. And some online media still associate the report as likely.


https://www.mentaldaily.com/article/201 ... -aspergers


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... /22855927/

Nope; You can't diagnosis Autism, Based on a Movement assessment alone; You Can theorize; but you can't diagnose.

"Researchers can't prove their theory about Putin and Asperger's, the report said, because they were not able to perform a brain scan on the Russian president. The report cites work by autism specialists as backing their findings. It is not known whether the research has been acted on by Pentagon or administration officials.

The 2008 report cites Dr. Stephen Porges, who is now a University of North Carolina psychiatry professor, as concluding that "Putin carries a form of autism." However, Porges said Wednesday he had never seen the finished report and "would back off saying he has Asperger's."


I was just putting the proverbial cat among the pigeons :twisted:

P.s Don't ever change dude :D


Haha; Yeah it was rather interesting
That You Both came in on the same day;
i noticed that in the other thread; But never
the less, i took full advantage of all the topics;

Thank You,

And 'The Trap' Worked..;)


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30 Jul 2020, 6:53 pm

i believe the man is a psychopath.



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30 Jul 2020, 7:07 pm

Can "world domination" count as a Special Interest?


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30 Jul 2020, 7:10 pm

Not sure. But he is a man who has enduring patience and great intelligence.


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30 Jul 2020, 8:40 pm

There have been threads on Putin and autism/Asperger's ever since I got here in 2010.
There must be some Credence to it because of all the speculation,but it's never been proven.


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30 Jul 2020, 8:58 pm

I think he has such a tightly controlled public image that no one could prove the truth or lack of truth to that claim.



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30 Jul 2020, 10:26 pm

Nope. My dad used to show me stuff about him growing up. That has nothing to do with image- he is v good at theory of mind, social image etc. Agreed that adept sociopaths are always conflated with Aspergers when I believe them to be mutually exclusive.

Anyone can have traits it's the consistency in them and combination that makes for a diagnosis.that wd require an expert


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31 Jul 2020, 1:18 am

Nope. As a spymaster who is skilled in seeing weakness and exploiting it, is the opposite of Asperger's.


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31 Jul 2020, 6:05 am

Unless politics is his version of dungeons and dragons?
He seems to play world domination like a game.



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31 Jul 2020, 7:41 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Nope. As a spymaster who is skilled in seeing weakness and exploiting it, is the opposite of Asperger's.


That's what I was thinking , could an Aspie participate in old school KGB spycraft , I seriously doubt it.

Interestingly enough though the hyper-connectivity of synesthetes' minds may make them the perfect spies.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... ynesthesia


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