What constitutes "white supremacy"?
I know it's a fragile topic but I believe it would be healthier to discuss it here than to get other threads randomly hijacked by it.
I don't have any strong opinion myself. I think it's more a post-colonial issue of not-always-nice history beyond the current status quo.
I would love to hear different points of view.
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I'm "black" (well, brownish), and many of the "black" people I know appear to be "black supremacists". It may often be defensive because of historical events, but nevertheless, there we are. I've known a fair number of Asians closely (involved in college groups), and I met some pretty "supremacist" types who thought their group was the best. And so on.
I think a certain amount of "my group is best!" is natural, if not completely healthy. I know that such opinions are (rightfully) anathema at Universities...but the World is not a University. Yet.
If by "white supremacy" one merely means a preference for one's (rather successful) group, well some of that seems inevitable (if lamentable) to me. It's great that such attitudes are much less frequent these days.
More aggressive stances, like "whites are the only group that should be allowed here!" suck...but again, many other countries have lots of folk who think that way.
FWIW I think the issue is waaay overblown these days. If you run into Nazis, or Klansman, they may be provocateurs on a government payroll. I am serious; there are thousands of such scoundrels.
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I think a certain amount of "my group is best!" is natural, if not completely healthy. I know that such opinions are (rightfully) anathema at Universities...but the World is not a University. Yet.
If by "white supremacy" one merely means a preference for one's (rather successful) group, well some of that seems inevitable (if lamentable) to me. It's great that such attitudes are much less frequent these days.
More aggressive stances, like "whites are the only group that should be allowed here!" suck...but again, many other countries have lots of folk who think that way.
FWIW I think the issue is waaay overblown these days. If you run into Nazis, or Klansman, they may be provocateurs on a government payroll. I am serious; there are thousands of such scoundrels.
I am quite fond of my culture but I don't think one needs pure European ancestry to be part of it...
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I am quite fond of my culture but I don't think one needs pure European ancestry to be part of it...
I'm proud to identify with "Western Culture". And it isn't just for Europeans,
However, it is largely the product of Europeans and differs profoundly from non-European cultures.
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I think John Wayne was being honest back in 1971 - his definition is what a lot of Americans think but too afraid to say
"I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.”
"I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.”
I can see his point - just two issues:
1. Are under-funded black schools and other forms of segregation and discrimination aimed at keeping white supremacy justified?
2. What about whites who are not "educated to a point of responsibility"? They seem quite prominent in the US nowadays.
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Every country in the world follows some level of "western culture" even North Korea
I prefer the term "global culture" for it. A lot of it originated in Europe but there are contributions from everywhere.
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Every country in the world follows some level of "western culture" even North Korea
I prefer the term "global culture" for it. A lot of it originated in Europe but there are contributions from everywhere.
in the 20th century global = western
Ironically this was the precise argument made by those who opposed democratic (one person one vote) elections in the 19th century. Voting should be left to those who carry social status and make considered careful decisions with a sober responsible mind.
Ironically this was the precise argument made by those who opposed democratic (one person one vote) elections in the 19th century. Voting should be left to those who carry social status and make considered careful decisions with a sober responsible mind.
That would be perfect in the perfect world but practice shows, Power Corrupts and being raised above others is a perfect ground for abuse. In democracy, too, unfortunately.
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It's been 21st century for two decades now...
rephrased - From the 20th century globalism was associated with the spread of western culture
Being only questionably Western, I find this belief arrogant. Various cultures join the global one on their own terms. The whole East Asia is an enormous contributor to modern world. Same with India. Turkish soap operas are conquering the Middle East. Japanese psychologists are adamant about parents sleeping together with their children.
Current global culture is only discovering its Western bias.
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It's been 21st century for two decades now...
rephrased - From the 20th century globalism was associated with the spread of western culture
Being only questionably Western, I find this belief arrogant. Various cultures join the global one on their own terms. The whole East Asia is an enormous contributor to modern world. Same with India. Turkish soap operas are conquering the Middle East. Japanese psychologists are adamant about parents sleeping together with their children.
Current global culture is only discovering its Western bias.
Yes but everyone wears pants and collared shirts and dresses - checkmate
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