Am I a deist?

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I believe that God exists but doesn't intervene in daily affairs.

Did you google the definition?

In other words, you’re a Deist.

A deist is an atheist and an atheist is a deist,why?

If a deist god exists somewhere but has no interest or pragmatic communication with humans,then well he might as well not exist,because what pragmatic value does he have.Like an unregistered automobile you can't drive on roads,what good is it,it has no pragmatic value(unless you have a farm and can drive unregistered vehicles,but where not talking about that)

So yes if God has no pragmatic communication with humans he might as well not exist.

Why is an atheist a deist?
because humans have limited intelligence and can't conceive of the entire universe,there could be a God in a galaxy 100 million light years away and we don't know about said God.

You can't really say that "there is no God" because one can't know there is no God because the human mind can't conceive the entire universe.

Yes,an atheist is a deist and a deist is an atheist and both are really just simply agnostic anyway.

A person who concedes that there could be a god but does not believe there to be is still an atheist, not a deist.

Such a person would an agnostic,an atheist asserts there is no God,which no person can know for sure,so one is an agnostic.

Like my post said in conclusion both atheist and deists are really agnostic,if one is a deist and believes in a non pragmatic God,they essentially believe in no God,hence an agnostic.6 of of one half dozen of the other.

An atheist says,there is no God.

An agnostic says,I don't know if there is a God.

An deist says,there is no communicative pragmatic God.

But at the end of the day they add up the same thing.

It is possible, indeed most common among atheists, to be an agnostic atheist.

Theist: "I believe in a god that does intervene."

Deist: "I believe in a god that does not intervene."

Atheist: "I do not believe in a god.".

Gnostic: "I know there's a god!".

Agnostic: "I don't know if there's a god".

It is possible not to believe a thing to be true and acknowledge that you don't know it to be true or false at the same time. Hence agnostic atheist. Atheism is, by its very nature, not an assertion, but a lack of belief in an assertion.

False drama.  You are making too much of a simple belief.

If a man builds a building, and then goes to live in another state, does he cease to exist?  No.

If a woman bears a child, and then gives it up for adoption, does she cease to exist?  No.

Mere absence, even coupled with lack of involvement, does not render someone non-existent.

Deism is simply the belief that G^D exists, but is either indifferent toward His creations (like the absentee father) , or that He deliberately keeps Himself from getting involved (like the biological mother).

Deism appeared in the 18th Century Enlightenment. Many of the U.S. Founding Fathers were Deists.

They believed in a Judeo-Christian type god, and that this God would judge you in the afterlife. But eschewed specific sectarian beliefs beyond that.

But they were skeptical of miracles, and of God directly meddling in human history. Kind of similar to the early Unitarians - a kind of nontrinitarian version of Christianity.

In their writings they do SEEM to veer towards Atheism, but the rentention of that belief about the afterlife makes it still very unlike atheism.

Deists are not atheists. Point blank.

Theist - Believes in God
Atheist - Does not believe in God
Pantheist - Believes in all Gods
Deist - Believes God abadoned us
Misotheist - Hates God
Dystheist - Believes God is actually evil

Yes,but an atheist can't prove God doesn't exist, because a God could exist somewhere outside of human understanding.Because humans can't conceive of the entire universe.

So an atheist can only say God is not in pragmatic communication with man,in other words a deist.

And a deist is sort of an atheist because if God has no pragmatic communication with man and or alien life forms that may and or may not exist,then he might as well not exist because he has no pragmatic value.

Last edited by vermontsavant on 13 Aug 2020, 12:53 am, edited 1 time in total.

Im not putting down deists,your missing the point.

All I'm saying is that at the end of the day when all is said and done , atheism,deism and agnosticism have the same pragmatic effect.

I'm talking about pragmatic effect not technical terminology.

First: this is a negative claim. Onus of proof is on the positive assertion i.e. "God exists".

Second, the atheist does not have to prove the nonexistence of god to assert a lack of belief in god.



God existing is not the default assumption.

Deists believe, at the very least, that a god, gods, or God existed at one time.

Hence, no atheism, since atheism precludes the existence of any god at all, ever.

But a deist God is as useless as no God,and a atheist can't prove there is no God,so all you can be is agnostic.