[ POLL ] Which National Religion?

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Yes I said the business I owned would serve gays but if you read my post I explicitly said that;Business owners in the private sector should have the right to choose there clients based on there values.I may not have used those exact words but that's what I said.

How about an idea of businesses not serving some ethnicities?

Now THAT would be racist and if that type of discrimination became public news, people would be in even more in an uproar than if a gay couple was denied service. At least with LGBT discrimination there would be a group of people who would think that they should have the right to refuse service. There's still quite a few of homophobics, but there are even less racists. Buuuuuuuuuut, any businesses who have such protections would be able to refuse service to ANYONE. So maybe at some point there'll be someone crazy enough to refuse service to someone who's muslim, for example.

So yeah, that's a big flaw in the "right to refuse service to whoever" argument.

No religion ...


It’s an out of date concept ..

It was devised to control the masses but nowadays the people who need to be ‘guided’ ( the youngsters under 30 ) are completely uncontrollable .

That is a very good point you make,I as a former business owner would never bar any customer,when my now defunct Limo company opened in june of 2011 our very first client was from India actually and like I said before would never bar a LBGTQ client either.

America has freedom of religion and business owners do have certain rights as to there belief's,I don't see race or ethnic background as any valid reason for refusal of services.

The issue's at hand were a bakery that did not want to make a wedding cake for a guy couple and another is;Does a Catholic charity hospital have the right to not perform abortions.I think a private institution or business should have some leeway as to refusal of a service they find immoral in there beliefs.I don't race or ethnic origin is any real issue.

Here is where it gets tricky though.The Jewish Nursing home in Longmeadow, Massachusetts, US only takes Jewish convalescent's of coarse.There is a need for A Jewish Nursing home to meet the needs of a population other nursing homes can't meet.This is based on religion not ethnicity in theory,like wise Christian and Muslim owned private businesses or institutions may adjust clientele based on legit religious concerns.I don't find it unreasonable for an Islamic business to ask women to wear a hat or something to cover there hair during a business transactions,I don't use the term Burka because non Muslim women wouldn't own that,so a hat should work.

These are all tricky grey areas I struggle with these issues myself,I hate to see anyone discriminated against.

Catholic schools have the right to only accept Catholics.
Evangelical summer camps have the right to accept only evangelical camper's.
Jewish institutions like the Jewish Nursing home have the right to accept only Jews.
The same with Islamic institutions.

I don't feel race or ethnicity should be a factor but some races and ethnicities tend to have certain religious affiliations so it does get tricky but as long as any law is only based on religion that's what should matter.

Off-topic remark: burka is a whole-body garment covering even eyes, traditional to Afganistan.
I think the word "headscarf" is the most general term in this context.
It can be any kind of scarf - I visited some Muslim countries, including visiting mosques, where I found it simply appropriate to cover my body and hair out of respect to other people there.

Sorry I'm not an expert on Islam,you were not born yet the last time I left the US.Do you have a comment on the post.

Off topic,get a life

Yes, but if individual rights are protected, then neither gays can impose their views on Christians, nor Christians on gays. By refusing service, the gate of individual rights swings both ways. You invite others to refuse service to you. The issue of gay wedding cakes is not a simple matter of refusing service. No one facing lawsuits over wedding cakes has ever refused service to gays for any other request. They are only refusing service because it violates a specific principle that means participating in something they have a religious conviction against. That would be like trying to run an ad for The Daily Stormer in EBONY magazine. Should EBONY be forced to support white supremacists? And sure, even white supremacist groups would be allowed to exist. But the problem with groups like the Klan, etc., is that they can preach killing other groups of people all they want, but they will never be allowed to actually do anything about it. If someone wants to impose Shariah or a strict interpretation of the Old Testament, their rights to religious freedom and belief only reach as far as the boundary between individuals. You cannot deny anyone the right to exist without forfeiting your own life. White supremacists, homophobes, and I dare say even Antifa and BLM are walking contradictions. As Ayn Rand would say, a contradiction cannot exist.

These kinds of people couldn't exist in a society that protects individual rights for several reasons, including:
1. Individual rights would negate their purpose for existing in the first place.
2. They are allowed to believe whatever they want, just like everyone else, and would have no cause to fight for. If whites or blacks want to segregate themselves, they have the right to do that. If whites and blacks want to cooperate and see past skin color, they have the right to do that.
3. Violence towards any individual is simply not an option. Individuals have the right to protect themselves against anyone who attacks them and are free to pursue justice. Enforcing law and order and keeping the peace is the proper role of government (protecting any group or individual at the expense of another is not).

This wouldn't prevent gays from getting a wedding cake, nor would it mean a Christian would be forced to bake a cake. It doesn't mean everyone can't get what they want. It just means you cannot FORCE someone to do what you want them to do. Gays can have cake. The only difference is they may have to look for someone who'd want to do it. But that wouldn't be any different from any other situation, either.

Maybe you should cool your jets a bit, before you say something even dumber?

And I have said something dumb?

I'd say "get a life" in response to someone trying to be helpful qualifies.

Sorry,it sounded like you and MAGZ were mocking me

No worries, but nope, not mocking. Don't think Magz were, either.

ok understood,sorry.
Not everyone on WP is so nice though.Maybe I misjudged you