This country is so f****d no matter who wins

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Seriously, things are just going to get worse after the election no matter if Trump wins or Biden wins. They are both HORRIBLE choices for president! One is a dictator wannabe, the other is a pathetic pushover, and they are BOTH clearly senile and should be living in a retirement home, not running the most powerful nation in the world!

I bet we're going to have another civil war, a third world war, or maybe everyone will just accept an American Dictatorship or a world ruled by China without even bothering to put up a fight?

Somedays I find myself hoping I will die before I live to see that. I don't want to get caught up in whatever mess awaits us in the future with these two clowns competing for power.

Agreed.

I mean I hate Trump more than I do Biden, but I don't believe for one minute that Biden is going to be the savior of this country that the democrats are hoping for. In fact in some ways he may end up being worse than Trump if he's like every other Democratic candidate who thinks he can win over votes by telling people what they want to hear without actually keeping his promises.

But I don't think I can handle 4 more years of this Trump Mania bs either.

Hang on.
I don't think it's allowed to talk about politics in The Haven.

I'm out.

Yep.

We’re gonna have to build a wall across our Southern border to keep the riffraff out.

You should probably start walking North now and sneak across while you still can.

My question is, if Biden is this bad then why did so many people think that he was the best choice to begin with? Same goes for Hillary in 2016. And while I'm at it, why the hell did so many right wingers think that Trump was the best republican candidate?

During the Iowa Caucuses, it appeared as if Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, and Pete Buttigieg all had better odds than Biden. Like, what the hell happened there!?!

It doesn’t matter what people think. That’s not how American politics works. Billionaires decide who they want running the show & then they spend $$$ to tell people what to think. Someone(s) with deep pockets decided trump was their man, someone(s) else decided Biden was theirs.

Um, I thought it was? Like, It's really not that people just vote/caucus for whichever dem/rep candidate they want to be the nominee for their party of choice? If that's true, what the hell is the point of the caucuses and primaries? That would also be as messed up as the electoral collage. Trump is president even though he lost by 3 MILLION VOTES!

From my view as an outsider, it looked like Bernie was becoming too popular, so the rich people who did not want a socialist in charge decided to try and consolidate the votes of everyone else into a vessel that they could as being progressive because he was the vice president of a black president, who was put in power at that time to not make Obama seem too radical. His entire campaign is just virtue signaling to try and overpower the message of people who would actually do good, and you know done in mind of the centrists that voted for Obama.

Biden

Biden was very popular with black voters. That meant he was in a good position to win the South (where sometimes a majority of Dem voters are black) and it also put him in a good position for the larger Northern states like Illinois and Michigan.

When he won South Carolina, it became apparent that he was the favourite and most of his rivals pulled out and endorsed him, including Buttigieg. Then he absolutely destroyed Bloomberg and Sanders in the remaining states, even ones where Sanders was the favourite.

The black voters who remember segregation and the Dixiecrats, and the people who look up to them, will always prefer someone who they know and can depend on.

Trump

In previous elections the Republican Party pushed religious ethics quite strongly. Trump broke away from that by softly signalling support for left-wing social causes, while also shifting hard to an anti-immigration, anti-trade, anti-Islam stance. This helped him stand out. He distinguished himself from a large, fairly generic field. Furthermore, the Republican “winner take all” primaries made it easy for him to pick up many delegates even with only a plurality of votes. Despite several large states only voting when he was already confirmed as the nominee, he only got 44% of the vote.

My thoughts

Neither man is senile.

Biden is too left-wing for my tastes. He’s adopted 80% of Sanders’ policies. I would have preferred a liberal like Bill Weld or John Delaney, and I thought Hillary’s policy platform was almost perfect. That said, while I think some of his left-wing policies are bad ideas, he isn’t someone I have a moral objection to, and he’s clearly capable.

Trump doesn’t have the basic competency required for the role, his foreign policy is erratic and dangerous, he never takes responsibility for his actions, and he has less than one significant achievement per year.

People have been predicting imminent WWIII since 1945, and an imminent second American Civil War since the first one. They’ve been wrong. Maybe one day they’ll be right, but the chances of them being right this day are low.

my personal experience with your security/immigration apparatus, is that if i did that i'd be found and dealt with in no time at all.

Ummm you all forgot about Kanye....the "dark" horse

Stranger things have happened, a reality star billionaire Vs a rapper billionaire

he would be one who would be even worse than trumpoleeney

Poor dude isn't taking his Lithium

I think continued slide into anarchy rather than civil war.

things are headed to the point where the antichrist will make his debut. no wait.....