Politics has ruined everything including movies and TV shows
Older movies and TV shows are now considered racist, sexist and/or homophobic no matter how good they were and sometimes get censored on streaming devices, newer movies and TV shows are now too politically correct. Or they go well out of their way to be politically INcorrect just to offend people.
One cannot escape the reality of the political mess here in the USA even by attempting to watch mind-numbing TV without being constantly reminded of the volatile polarization of this country. ![]()
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I feel the same way about new TV shows. Everything hits political nerves and stresses me out. I want TV to be relaxing, not another source of stress.
Lately I just watch random things on YouTube rather than TV shows or movies.
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I honestly think history should be left alone and we should look at it as how much has changed from the past decades compared to now. Disney has a pretty dark history too and we can see how much it has changed with their new films and TV shows. Disney has gotten towards kids now than at adult audience.
Disney has been given flack for Song of the South which is the reason why they never released it to video and the movie is banned in the US. Their last theatrical release of the film in the US was 1986.
We are still white washing history and people of color want to end racism but banning film because of racism is also adding to the problem and part of white washing our history.
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Disney has been given flack for Song of the South which is the reason why they never released it to video and the movie is banned in the US. Their last theatrical release of the film in the US was 1986.
We are still white washing history and people of color want to end racism but banning film because of racism is also adding to the problem and part of white washing our history.
In other words pretending that racism has never existed only makes it worse.
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We are still white washing history and people of color want to end racism but banning film because of racism is also adding to the problem and part of white washing our history.
That movie is not actually banned by a power other than perceived public opinion. Disney has taken it upon themselves to withhold it from the public. Disney is whitewashing their own history.
Although, just releasing works that amount to propaganda to the public is a danger. If not framed with context (ie this work is racist, don't be like this movie) certain members of society would use it to educate their young and propagate their beliefs.
Old movies considered racist "now" have mostly been considered racist since they were released--just not by a large enough segment of the population for it to effect anything. Movies or TV shows being pulled from streaming services is a reaction to bottom-up changes in social mores--not government-imposed censorship. Politics did not ruin these things--they were ruined by racism when they were created. It is just that now enough (white) people care about the problematic nature of these movies and shows that things are starting to shift. It has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with social change.
Whether a work is "good" should not excuse their problematic contents and legacies. Birth of a Nation was a groundbreaking piece of filmmaking from a technical standpoint. The same could be said of Sieg des Willens. Filmmakers could learn much from watching such films. They are of historic significance. But they should not be celebrated, and businesses should not profit from them by distributing them.
Corporations trying to sweep racist works from their past under the rug are not acting in the spirit of acknowledging racism's legacy so much as they are trying to save face by overcompensating.
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We are still white washing history and people of color want to end racism but banning film because of racism is also adding to the problem and part of white washing our history.
That movie is not actually banned by a power other than perceived public opinion. Disney has taken it upon themselves to withhold it from the public. Disney is whitewashing their own history.
Although, just releasing works that amount to propaganda to the public is a danger. If not framed with context (ie this work is racist, don't be like this movie) certain members of society would use it to educate their young and propagate their beliefs.
Disney has never been accurate about history but to make black history inaccurate is very dangerous and is in fact racist to be inaccurate about it.
Though the story took place after the civil war but Uncle Remus in it still lived on a plantation.
I had no idea how racist the film was until I looked it up to see why. Apparently racism and black history is a very sensitive topic and black people don't take kindly to their history being portrayed as it not being so bad, same as how Jewish people don't take kindly to the Holocaust being portrayed less severe and less brutal. The Boy in Striped Pajamas was criticized heavily because of how concentration camp in it was portrayed.
I don't know if Disney will ever release it to Disney Plus with a warning about racism and how it's not an accurate portrayed of black history and the film is not to be used for educational purposes for black history.
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Whether a work is "good" should not excuse their problematic contents and legacies. Birth of a Nation was a groundbreaking piece of filmmaking from a technical standpoint. The same could be said of Sieg des Willens. Filmmakers could learn much from watching such films. They are of historic significance. But they should not be celebrated, and businesses should not profit from them by distributing them.
Corporations trying to sweep racist works from their past under the rug are not acting in the spirit of acknowledging racism's legacy so much as they are trying to save face by overcompensating.
And thus we are left with only the new politically correct crap to watch.
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isn't the problem that the racism displayed in some old films isn't a historical artifact of a bygone era- and that we can't treat it as that, as long as the era is not bygone?
i.e., as long as there's the huge wealth disparity between the races and sexes, it's hard to say "that's just how things were back then".
it's still okay to denigrate poor people for being poor, though, because actually addressing the wealth disparity in any way would be socialism... so... yeah, entertainment is doomed, as long as we tryto substitute class warfare with politically correct images.
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Have you heard of the Hays Code?
There were massive restrictions on movies, bowing down to the likes of at the time political correctness, specifically really conservative political correctness. One such ban was against any criminal characters, with the exception that they get punished for their crimes in the end, such as dying, this lead to the likes where they created a lot of mob movies that could be violent, but had to have everyone die in the end.
Another thing banned was anything homosexual, although people still wanted to put homosexual characters in movies, for various reasons, and came to create Queer coding, especially with villains, since the governing body that could ban movies and even politically correct scripts, either could not pick up on the coding, or would be more willing to let a villain slide. Although this also created several problematic tropes themselves, such as queer characters seen as villainous, and the Bury Your Gays trope.
The point I am getting at is the past was not some utopia politics free media, many stuff that might seem normal now might have been seen as politically in your face at the time, like Star Trek daring to show an interracial kiss. But the likes of the Hays Code are pretty much dead, there is a greater appreciation now for equality among genders, races and sexualities now. There is no political body that is saying that movies are banned or are chopped up with parts censored for the general public, but there are people concerned about things that were made to cater to certain awful political opinions of the past. A lot of such movies that people complain about people being political about, were really political themselves, because most art is political, and some people tend to take criticism as censorship.
I think that we are more free to show things that people would find offensive, where else could I watch an animated show with anthropomorphic animals that has a song about getting abortions to kill fetuses.
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Have you heard of the Hays Code?
There were massive restrictions on movies, bowing down to the likes of at the time political correctness, specifically really conservative political correctness. One such ban was against any criminal characters, with the exception that they get punished for their crimes in the end, such as dying, this lead to the likes where they created a lot of mob movies that could be violent, but had to have everyone die in the end.
Another thing banned was anything homosexual, although people still wanted to put homosexual characters in movies, for various reasons, and came to create Queer coding, especially with villains, since the governing body that could ban movies and even politically correct scripts, either could not pick up on the coding, or would be more willing to let a villain slide. Although this also created several problematic tropes themselves, such as queer characters seen as villainous, and the Bury Your Gays trope.
The point I am getting at is the past was not some utopia politics free media, many stuff that might seem normal now might have been seen as politically in your face at the time, like Star Trek daring to show an interracial kiss. But the likes of the Hays Code are pretty much dead, there is a greater appreciation now for equality among genders, races and sexualities now. There is no political body that is saying that movies are banned or are chopped up with parts censored for the general public, but there are people concerned about things that were made to cater to certain awful political opinions of the past. A lot of such movies that people complain about people being political about, were really political themselves, because most art is political, and some people tend to take criticism as censorship.
I think that we are more free to show things that people would find offensive, where else could I watch an animated show with anthropomorphic animals that has a song about getting abortions to kill fetuses.
You're theoretically right, but neglecting the economics. South park carved out an economic niche for itself as offensive and politically incorrect in the 90s, and there are a bunch of cartoons that followed after.
But south park can now not choose to be something other than offensive. That's the brand.
It is unclear whether an ambiguous product can find financing today. If it's going to be offensive in some respect, it needs to be over-the-top offensive to cater to the south park audience.
Mainstream entertainment however is now following the smallest common denominator audience, and that includes the chinese censors, to get access to the chinese market.
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Have you heard of the Hays Code?
There were massive restrictions on movies, bowing down to the likes of at the time political correctness, specifically really conservative political correctness. One such ban was against any criminal characters, with the exception that they get punished for their crimes in the end, such as dying, this lead to the likes where they created a lot of mob movies that could be violent, but had to have everyone die in the end.
Another thing banned was anything homosexual, although people still wanted to put homosexual characters in movies, for various reasons, and came to create Queer coding, especially with villains, since the governing body that could ban movies and even politically correct scripts, either could not pick up on the coding, or would be more willing to let a villain slide. Although this also created several problematic tropes themselves, such as queer characters seen as villainous, and the Bury Your Gays trope.
The point I am getting at is the past was not some utopia politics free media, many stuff that might seem normal now might have been seen as politically in your face at the time, like Star Trek daring to show an interracial kiss. But the likes of the Hays Code are pretty much dead, there is a greater appreciation now for equality among genders, races and sexualities now. There is no political body that is saying that movies are banned or are chopped up with parts censored for the general public, but there are people concerned about things that were made to cater to certain awful political opinions of the past. A lot of such movies that people complain about people being political about, were really political themselves, because most art is political, and some people tend to take criticism as censorship.
I think that we are more free to show things that people would find offensive, where else could I watch an animated show with anthropomorphic animals that has a song about getting abortions to kill fetuses.
Yeah, I agree. People like to pretend "the past" was completely free of socio-political influences when that clearly wasn't the case.
Plus, I'm not sure why something needs to be racist/sexist/homophobic/ect. in order to be considered "good."
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I think you people completely misunderstand my point, that's not what I am saying at all but whatever. I'm done fighting to prove that my opinion on anything has any value. You guys can eat each other for all I care.
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