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12 Sep 2020, 6:46 am

TheRobotLives wrote:

The far right chooses liberty over censorship.

Please, sketch to us what opinions you believe to constitute "the far right" that "chooses liberty over censorship."

My current view on American Far Right includes shooting or threatning to shoot or calling for use of excessive force on people they disagree with - which is actually a very drastic form of censorship attempts. But maybe we're talking about different groups and different postulates.

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12 Sep 2020, 6:59 am

Wolfram87 wrote:

Is TRL Modern Leftist?

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12 Sep 2020, 7:07 am

magz wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Wolfram87 wrote:

And there is a distinction between "minor" and "child".

You are oversimplifying a complex condition, pedophiles abuse victims from a wide range of ages up to 18 yrs of age.

Medically, after puberty it's not pedophilia.
Of course, it can still be very serious abuse, but that's another matter. Adults can be gravely abused, too.

There was a man I used to know who is a clear,I can't say pedophile because I don't believe he has ever touched a person under age.But he is a clear MAP(minor attracted person)when he was in his 30's he had many 15 year old friends(although I don't think he ever abused anyone)and he did have sexual experiences with 18 year old's usually getting them drunk and buying them alcohol them putting on the moves.Aside from buying alcohol for minor's,sexual contact with 18 year old's is legal,but for him it's a clear surrogate for the 14,15 year old's he desired.

Today he is in his 50's and all his friends (which I'm not one of)are all in there early 20's and he has said his dream lover is;Quote "one day over 18" end of Quote.

There are minor attracted people out there who control there desires well enough to stay away from under age people and use people in there late teens/early 20's as surrogates for there true desire.

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12 Sep 2020, 7:11 am

There are people of weirdest forms of attraction who choose not to harm others.

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12 Sep 2020, 7:14 am

I don’t like the part where the man gets the kids drunk.

I used to like older women when I was young.

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12 Sep 2020, 7:20 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

I don’t like the part where the man gets the kids drunk.

I used to like older women when I was young.

Yes Kraftie and @Magz
He did hurt people,by buying 18 year olds alcohol and using that to get very young people intoxicated and willing to do things they wouldn't normally do.

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12 Sep 2020, 7:28 am

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He did hurt people,by buying 18 year olds alcohol and using that to get very young people intoxicated and willing to do things they wouldn't normally do.

That actually is a problem - and age has little to do with it. Getting one intoxicated to do things they wouldn't normally do is a serious, criminal abuse, no matter if the person is 18 of 45.

However, the line between absolutely acceptable and absolutely unacceptable is blurred - getting one drunk to have sex is a rape but boosting the atmosphere with a bottle of wine is okay. Somewhere in-between exists gray area not easy for law.

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12 Sep 2020, 7:41 am

^^^
This guy has an IQ of 160 and is a master of manipulation of the grey areas, otherwise he would likely be in jail.

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12 Sep 2020, 8:01 am

magz wrote:

TheRobotLives wrote:

The far right chooses liberty over censorship.

I am using this type of scale ..

People on the left want your money, and to control your life.
People on the right want less of your money, and more freedoms.

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12 Sep 2020, 8:07 am

TheRobotLives wrote:

I am using this type of scale ..

People on the left want your money, and to control your life.
People on the right *supposedly* want less of your money, and more freedoms.

Yet another definition of "left" and "right", poorly relating to definitions used elswhere.
No wonder we can't get together discussing matters.

BTW, I do take a serious issue with anarchy: it tends to quickly get replaced by reign of mafia.

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12 Sep 2020, 8:22 am

magz wrote:

it's just a "freedom scale" like this ...

"political ideology incorporates economic beliefs and social beliefs, so it’s better expressed in a grid"

https://www.quora.com/Is-anarchism-righ ... our-answer

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12 Sep 2020, 8:33 am

TheRobotLives wrote:

magz wrote:

it's just a "freedom scale" like this ...

This one at least does not put both US parties in the same place...

TheRobotLives wrote:

"political ideology incorporates economic beliefs and social beliefs, so it’s better expressed in a grid"

https://www.quora.com/Is-anarchism-righ ... our-answer

I think more commonly it looks like (just an example, not perfect but closer to popular understanding)

Or another

The "center" should be probably aligned to a given demographics, these seem to roughly fit EU.

Putting "line of democracy" and "abolishing the state" at the same distance from center is not really relating well to what we can see in the world.

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12 Sep 2020, 9:25 am

TheRobotLives wrote:

The far right chooses liberty over censorship.

I agree completely.

- Joseph McCarthy, Senator, Chairman of the Senate Committee on Government Operations

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12 Sep 2020, 9:45 am

B.Sisko wrote:

Not really fitting recent history of where I live.

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