Texas sues Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin

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08 Dec 2020, 11:05 pm

It seems Texas has filed a case with SCOTUS against Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin over the election:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html

I'm not certain, but I have heard rumours that Louisiana has joined (or requested to join) Texas in the suit.

The reasoning behind the case is interesting and I'm looking forward to reading the responces from the 4 states. The "Motion for Leave to File a Bill of Complaint" contains a summary of the case, along with the actual Bill a few pages later.

An interesting point that was brought up was on page 13 of the "Brief in support of motion for leave to file" later in the above document:

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Whereas the House represents the People proportionally, the Senate represents the States. See U.S.CONST. art. V, cl. 3 (“no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate”). While Americans likely care more about who is elected President, the States have a distinct interest in who is elected Vice President and thus who can cast the tie-breaking vote in the Senate. Through that interest, States suffer an Article III injury when another State violates federal law to affect the outcome of a presidential election. This injury is particularly acute in 2020, where a Senate majority often will hang on the Vice President’s tie-breaking vote because of the nearly equal—and, depending on the outcome of Georgia run-off elections in January, possibly equal—balance between political parties. Quite simply, it is vitally important to the States who becomes Vice President.


A couple of overviews of the case:



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09 Dec 2020, 9:40 pm

The point of the paragraph you quoted is an attempt to establish "standing to sue." In order to sue someone, you have to show that you've been harmed somehow.

Be that as it may, it's unlikely this suit will get anywhere, given Trump's track record in numerous different courts so far this past month, even in courts presided over by conservative judges.


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09 Dec 2020, 9:46 pm

Popcorn, anyone? :mrgreen:



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09 Dec 2020, 10:27 pm

OMG, when will the MAGAs get over it that they lost.

But I guess I never saw this kind of election before in my country, where the losers contest it so hard, so it is an interesting phenomena to observe I suppose.


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10 Dec 2020, 4:18 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
OMG, when will the MAGAs get over it that they lost.

But I guess I never saw this kind of election before in my country, where the losers contest it so hard, so it is an interesting phenomena to observe I suppose.


Considering people still fly confederate flags even though the confederacy only lasted ~5 years, probably never..


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10 Dec 2020, 5:51 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
OMG, when will the MAGAs get over it that they lost.

But I guess I never saw this kind of election before in my country, where the losers contest it so hard, so it is an interesting phenomena to observe I suppose.


Am older than you and I have never seen anything like it either.

Part of it is that the MAGAs, like everyone else, take cues from their leader and role model. Usually the defeated POTUS concedes. So his supporters shut up. Or at least settle for only holding a slow burn grudge (ala supporters of Al Gore and of Nixon), and dont actually brandish fire arms about it. So part of the problem with the MAGAs is their deplorable role model.

If the election had resulted in a microscopic razor thing margin between the candidates, and if it all had pivoted on some single location in some tiny corner of the nation then this litigation would be kinda understandable.

Nixon vs Kennedy was razor thin in popular votes, and the EC vote was decided by Illinois, which in turn was decided by Chicago, which inturn was swayed by a few neighborhood districts.

Similarly there was the whole "hanging chad/butterfly ballot" debacle in the W.Bush vs Al Gore razor thin margin election of 2000 -which centered upon the one state of Florida.

So one could imagine the loosing party in those two examples (Dems in 2000, and the GOP in 1960) taking it to court because both elections did appear to have been decided by either local malfeasence (in Cook county in 1960), or by local incompetence (in Florida in 2000), in two tiny areas in which an alleged local problem arguably did seem to have had huge national consequences.

But this election was your textbook election- how its supposed to be: the winner had a solid lead in the popular vote. A lead that got amplified (rather than suppressed) by a bigger solid lead in the electorial college. And the lead occurred across many states. So it would have involved an improbably vast nationwide conspiracy if there had been a conspiracy to steal the election.

But maybe...the Rothchildes, in cahoots with the Elders of Zion,and the Bilderburgers, working alongside the Reptoid Aliens from Arcturus...DID manage to pull off stealing this election! :lol:



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10 Dec 2020, 8:11 am

It seems a few more states have filed an Amici Curiae in support of Texas:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163215/20201209144840609_2020-12-09%20-%20Texas%20v.%20Pennsylvania%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Missouri%20et%20al.%20-%20Final%20with%20Tables.pdf
Currently (as far as I can tell) Texas appears to be backed by:
Missouri, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah and West Virginia.

It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, happens with regards to the case.



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10 Dec 2020, 10:20 am

Where’s that meme about Canadians living in an apartment above a meth lab?

KNOCK IT OFF DOWN THERE, YOU GUYS!! !


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10 Dec 2020, 11:20 am

17 red states now joined, collectively telling the blue states to go suck it.



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10 Dec 2020, 1:16 pm

Soooo, if election laws were amended to accommodate mail in votes during this pandemic, wouldn’t they EQUALLY apply to all voters regardless of party or candidate they’re voting for?? :?

How does any of this translate to an advantage for either candidate?


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10 Dec 2020, 1:26 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
... How does any of this translate to an advantage for either candidate?
It serves to further unite and solidify Mr. Trump's ardent fanbase of Christian Evangelicals and under-employed middle-class white males without college degrees.


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10 Dec 2020, 1:30 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
OMG, when will the MAGAs get over it that they lost.

But I guess I never saw this kind of election before in my country, where the losers contest it so hard, so it is an interesting phenomena to observe I suppose.


Considering people still fly confederate flags even though the confederacy only lasted ~5 years, probably never..


The Trump 2020 flag is 2083's hottest accessory for your pickup truck. :wink:


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10 Dec 2020, 1:35 pm

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The Trump 2020 flag is 2083's hottest accessory for your pickup truck.
Right next to the gun rack and the hunting dog riding in the truck bed.


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10 Dec 2020, 1:40 pm

ummmm, how are they "middle class" sans college degree? :scratch:



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10 Dec 2020, 1:42 pm

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ummmm, how are they "middle class" sans college degree?
Sorry.  I meant "lacking class".  My bad.


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10 Dec 2020, 1:56 pm

It sounds like a joke. One state suing other states? 8O


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