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GGPViper wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
Conservatives only oppress women and minorities in the imaginations of liberals.
If disenfranchising women is not oppression of women, then what is?_________________
emotrtkey wrote:
I recommend reading the article, "The War on Sex Trafficking Is the New War on Drugs" that exposes the myths of human trafficking:
https://reason.com/2015/09/30/the-war-o ... icking-is/
https://reason.com/2015/09/30/the-war-o ... icking-is/
A very interesting article.
While I do not agree with the article in its entirety, I am also - as the Feminist author of the article - in favour of legalizing prostitution, as it will likely greatly improve the living conditions of sex workers.
And here I thought you were old-fashioned...
League_Girl wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
If being liberal means being against slavery, misogyny, racism, I am for it and see nothing wrong with it.
If being conservative means oppressing women and minorities, those beliefs should never be tolerated.
If being conservative means oppressing women and minorities, those beliefs should never be tolerated.
Conservatives only oppress women and minorities in the imaginations of liberals. Anyway, thanks for confirming that liberals are intolerant. We already knew it but it's nice to get confirmation once in awhile.
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As for selling yourself into slavery, do you realize it's people that are kidnapped, families that sell their family member to a pimp for religious reasons because they did a sin to their religion. Slave victims get manipulated into human trafficking.
Human trafficking is mostly a hoax. It's extremely rare. The government has spent large amounts of money in numerous operations that didn't result in finding any victims. It's mostly an ideological/religious crusade against men started by radical feminists.
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Lilya 4 Ever made a movie about it and it showed how easily someone can become a slave victim and be sold into it. But that only happens like at the last 20 minutes end of the movie. The whole movie was about a 16 year old girl being abandoned by her mother and now she is on her own and has to survive and has no way of supporting herself so she is forced into prostitution and then she meets a guy who becomes her boyfriend and then talks her into moving to Sweden with her where she will be given a job. But instead she meets with the boyfriend's "boss" and he becomes her pimp and she becomes a sex slave. It's suspected the same happened to her mom too and that would explain why she "abandoned" her and the mom's boyfriend was actually a pimp who pretended to her her partner and talked her into moving to the US with him and leave her daughter behind and she will come out later. It happens in real life too. Human trafficking is everywhere. The ones vulnerable to it are women, young girls, those who come from poor families or from dysfunctional families and they are promised being given a better life and stuff and pimps know who to look for.
In the film, Lilya only ended up in that situation because of her current situation she was left in caused by her mother who agreed to leave her behind for now and then abandoned her where she was left without food and electricity and even her own friends had abandoned her and she was now being harassed by her school mates so she tried to get a better life when she met her "boyfriend" and he groomed her.
In the film, Lilya only ended up in that situation because of her current situation she was left in caused by her mother who agreed to leave her behind for now and then abandoned her where she was left without food and electricity and even her own friends had abandoned her and she was now being harassed by her school mates so she tried to get a better life when she met her "boyfriend" and he groomed her.
Why couldn't "Lilya" get a job to support herself like everyone else?
Poor country and no jobs.
So she chose her occupation because it was the best job she could get? That's not sex trafficking. Would you prefer if women in those situations starved to death?
It reminds me of an article I read recently about sex trafficking at https://reason.com/2015/09/30/the-war-o ... icking-is/. The government created a bunch of laws to take away people's freedom and young women still engage in voluntary prostitution (that's what radical feminists mean when they say "sex trafficking") because their only other options are worse than the one the government outlawed.
The purpose of these laws are to attack and demonize men. Most of the "sex trafficked" women who were interviewed said they chose to become prostitutes knowing it was dangerous because they needed money to pay for a place to stay. If the government would simply spend a little more money expanding shelters to provide food and a place for young women to stay they wouldn't have to consider prostitution.
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Fnord wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
Conservatives only oppress women and minorities in the imaginations of liberals.
If disenfranchising women is not oppression of women, then what is?Do you believe in God? If so, do you think He oppressed men by not allowing us to reproduce?
emotrtkey wrote:
Feyokien wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
Human trafficking is mostly a hoax. It's extremely rare. The government has spent large amounts of money in numerous operations that didn't result in finding any victims. It's mostly an ideological/religious crusade against men started by radical feminists.
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/2019-Trafficking-in-Persons-Report.pdf
Quote:
Dear Reader:
Human trafficking is one of the most heinous crimes on Earth. Right now traffickers are
robbing a staggering 24.9 million people of their freedom and basic human dignity—that’s
roughly three times the population of New York City. We must band together and build
momentum to defeat human trafficking. We must hold the perpetrators of this heinous
crime accountable. We must achieve justice for survivors as they rebuild their lives. We
must reinvigorate our shared commitment to extinguish human trafficking wherever it
exists. There is no time to waste.
.....
The Department of State joins the Trump Administration, community leaders, global allies, and the survivors in our
shared fight to end human trafficking. We must be resolute—we cannot leave anyone behind. Rather, we must harness
innovation and ingenuity to prevent trafficking, identify and empower those who have survived it, and send the strongest
message possible to traffickers that we will not tolerate their despicable and criminal acts.
Human trafficking is one of the most heinous crimes on Earth. Right now traffickers are
robbing a staggering 24.9 million people of their freedom and basic human dignity—that’s
roughly three times the population of New York City. We must band together and build
momentum to defeat human trafficking. We must hold the perpetrators of this heinous
crime accountable. We must achieve justice for survivors as they rebuild their lives. We
must reinvigorate our shared commitment to extinguish human trafficking wherever it
exists. There is no time to waste.
.....
The Department of State joins the Trump Administration, community leaders, global allies, and the survivors in our
shared fight to end human trafficking. We must be resolute—we cannot leave anyone behind. Rather, we must harness
innovation and ingenuity to prevent trafficking, identify and empower those who have survived it, and send the strongest
message possible to traffickers that we will not tolerate their despicable and criminal acts.
Mike Pompeo, such a radical feminist that one.
Despite the propaganda and the bogus statistics quoted, the evidence reveals that human trafficking is very rare. The fact that radical feminists used emotional arguments not based on facts to deceive some conservatives to fund their agenda is irrelevant.
I recommend reading the article, "The War on Sex Trafficking Is the New War on Drugs" that exposes the myths of human trafficking: https://reason.com/2015/09/30/the-war-o ... icking-is/
That article also seems to be admitting there is human trafficking, not saying it doesn't happen.
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League_Girl wrote:
You are confused with sex trafficking with prostitutions. Prostitutions is not sex trafficking.
According to that Reason article parts of the far-right have been working towards having all participation in sex work viewed as trafficking.
Quote:
But at least we're getting the really bad guys, right? That's also up for debate. Peruse trafficking arrest records and you'll find many folks like Amber Batt, an Alaska woman who faces 10 to 25 years in federal prison (plus a lifetime on the sex-offender registry) for running an escort service featuring adult women who freely elected to work there. Or Julie Haner, a 19-year-old Oregon sex worker who was charged with trafficking after taking her 17-year-old friend with her to meet clients. Or Aimee Hart, 42, who served seven months in prison and faces 15 years on the sex-offender registry for driving her adult friend to a prostitution job. Or Hortencia Medeles-Arguello, a 71-year-old Houston bar owner arrested as the leader of a "sex trafficking conspiracy" because she allowed prostitution upstairs.
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戦争ではなく戦争と戦う
emotrtkey wrote:
Fnord wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
Conservatives only oppress women and minorities in the imaginations of liberals.
If disenfranchising women is not oppression of women, then what is?Do you believe in God? If so, do you think He oppressed men by not allowing us to reproduce?
Homo sapien reproduction requires two individuals last time I checked unless....
GGPViper wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
I recommend reading the article, "The War on Sex Trafficking Is the New War on Drugs" that exposes the myths of human trafficking:
https://reason.com/2015/09/30/the-war-o ... icking-is/
https://reason.com/2015/09/30/the-war-o ... icking-is/
A very interesting article.
While I do not agree with the article in its entirety, I am also - as the Feminist author of the article - in favour of legalizing prostitution, as it will likely greatly improve the living conditions of sex workers.
And here I thought you were old-fashioned...
I'm "old-fashioned" in the sense that I believe the unchanging Christian religion that was founded 2,000 years ago comes from God but other than that I'm very open minded. I'm able to support legalized prostitution if it will help because while prostitution is considered a sin, I'm not aware of any commandment that says Christians must support punishing people who engage in it and I'd consider legalizing it to be loving my neighbor if it improves their situation.
funeralxempire wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
You are confused with sex trafficking with prostitutions. Prostitutions is not sex trafficking.
According to that Reason article parts of the far-right have been working towards having all participation in sex work viewed as trafficking.
Quote:
But at least we're getting the really bad guys, right? That's also up for debate. Peruse trafficking arrest records and you'll find many folks like Amber Batt, an Alaska woman who faces 10 to 25 years in federal prison (plus a lifetime on the sex-offender registry) for running an escort service featuring adult women who freely elected to work there. Or Julie Haner, a 19-year-old Oregon sex worker who was charged with trafficking after taking her 17-year-old friend with her to meet clients. Or Aimee Hart, 42, who served seven months in prison and faces 15 years on the sex-offender registry for driving her adult friend to a prostitution job. Or Hortencia Medeles-Arguello, a 71-year-old Houston bar owner arrested as the leader of a "sex trafficking conspiracy" because she allowed prostitution upstairs.
I guess I am in sex trafficking since I enjoy making adult content and getting money for it.
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses.
League_Girl wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
Feyokien wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
Human trafficking is mostly a hoax. It's extremely rare. The government has spent large amounts of money in numerous operations that didn't result in finding any victims. It's mostly an ideological/religious crusade against men started by radical feminists.
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/2019-Trafficking-in-Persons-Report.pdf
Quote:
Dear Reader:
Human trafficking is one of the most heinous crimes on Earth. Right now traffickers are
robbing a staggering 24.9 million people of their freedom and basic human dignity—that’s
roughly three times the population of New York City. We must band together and build
momentum to defeat human trafficking. We must hold the perpetrators of this heinous
crime accountable. We must achieve justice for survivors as they rebuild their lives. We
must reinvigorate our shared commitment to extinguish human trafficking wherever it
exists. There is no time to waste.
.....
The Department of State joins the Trump Administration, community leaders, global allies, and the survivors in our
shared fight to end human trafficking. We must be resolute—we cannot leave anyone behind. Rather, we must harness
innovation and ingenuity to prevent trafficking, identify and empower those who have survived it, and send the strongest
message possible to traffickers that we will not tolerate their despicable and criminal acts.
Human trafficking is one of the most heinous crimes on Earth. Right now traffickers are
robbing a staggering 24.9 million people of their freedom and basic human dignity—that’s
roughly three times the population of New York City. We must band together and build
momentum to defeat human trafficking. We must hold the perpetrators of this heinous
crime accountable. We must achieve justice for survivors as they rebuild their lives. We
must reinvigorate our shared commitment to extinguish human trafficking wherever it
exists. There is no time to waste.
.....
The Department of State joins the Trump Administration, community leaders, global allies, and the survivors in our
shared fight to end human trafficking. We must be resolute—we cannot leave anyone behind. Rather, we must harness
innovation and ingenuity to prevent trafficking, identify and empower those who have survived it, and send the strongest
message possible to traffickers that we will not tolerate their despicable and criminal acts.
Mike Pompeo, such a radical feminist that one.
Despite the propaganda and the bogus statistics quoted, the evidence reveals that human trafficking is very rare. The fact that radical feminists used emotional arguments not based on facts to deceive some conservatives to fund their agenda is irrelevant.
I recommend reading the article, "The War on Sex Trafficking Is the New War on Drugs" that exposes the myths of human trafficking: https://reason.com/2015/09/30/the-war-o ... icking-is/
That article also seems to be admitting there is human trafficking, not saying it doesn't happen.
That's correct. The myth is exaggerating the scope of the problem and labeling those who engage in voluntary prostitution and similar occupations as human trafficking victims.
League_Girl wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
You are confused with sex trafficking with prostitutions. Prostitutions is not sex trafficking.
According to that Reason article parts of the far-right have been working towards having all participation in sex work viewed as trafficking.Quote:
But at least we're getting the really bad guys, right? That's also up for debate. Peruse trafficking arrest records and you'll find many folks like Amber Batt, an Alaska woman who faces 10 to 25 years in federal prison (plus a lifetime on the sex-offender registry) for running an escort service featuring adult women who freely elected to work there. Or Julie Haner, a 19-year-old Oregon sex worker who was charged with trafficking after taking her 17-year-old friend with her to meet clients. Or Aimee Hart, 42, who served seven months in prison and faces 15 years on the sex-offender registry for driving her adult friend to a prostitution job. Or Hortencia Medeles-Arguello, a 71-year-old Houston bar owner arrested as the leader of a "sex trafficking conspiracy" because she allowed prostitution upstairs.
Voluntary sex work by someone 18 or older? Not a problem. Make it legal.
Involuntary (forced) sex work or sex work by someone under 18? Problem. Keep it illegal.
That's my opinion, anyway.
_________________
League_Girl wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
You are confused with sex trafficking with prostitutions. Prostitutions is not sex trafficking.
According to that Reason article parts of the far-right have been working towards having all participation in sex work viewed as trafficking.
Quote:
But at least we're getting the really bad guys, right? That's also up for debate. Peruse trafficking arrest records and you'll find many folks like Amber Batt, an Alaska woman who faces 10 to 25 years in federal prison (plus a lifetime on the sex-offender registry) for running an escort service featuring adult women who freely elected to work there. Or Julie Haner, a 19-year-old Oregon sex worker who was charged with trafficking after taking her 17-year-old friend with her to meet clients. Or Aimee Hart, 42, who served seven months in prison and faces 15 years on the sex-offender registry for driving her adult friend to a prostitution job. Or Hortencia Medeles-Arguello, a 71-year-old Houston bar owner arrested as the leader of a "sex trafficking conspiracy" because she allowed prostitution upstairs.
I guess I am in sex trafficking since I enjoy making adult content and getting money for it.
I think you'd qualify. You can now identify as a victim.
emotrtkey wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
You are confused with sex trafficking with prostitutions. Prostitutions is not sex trafficking.
According to that Reason article parts of the far-right have been working towards having all participation in sex work viewed as trafficking.
Quote:
But at least we're getting the really bad guys, right? That's also up for debate. Peruse trafficking arrest records and you'll find many folks like Amber Batt, an Alaska woman who faces 10 to 25 years in federal prison (plus a lifetime on the sex-offender registry) for running an escort service featuring adult women who freely elected to work there. Or Julie Haner, a 19-year-old Oregon sex worker who was charged with trafficking after taking her 17-year-old friend with her to meet clients. Or Aimee Hart, 42, who served seven months in prison and faces 15 years on the sex-offender registry for driving her adult friend to a prostitution job. Or Hortencia Medeles-Arguello, a 71-year-old Houston bar owner arrested as the leader of a "sex trafficking conspiracy" because she allowed prostitution upstairs.
I guess I am in sex trafficking since I enjoy making adult content and getting money for it.
I think you'd qualify. You can now identify as a victim.
But I am not a victim. I can quit anytime.
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League_Girl wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
You are confused with sex trafficking with prostitutions. Prostitutions is not sex trafficking.
According to that Reason article parts of the far-right have been working towards having all participation in sex work viewed as trafficking.
Quote:
But at least we're getting the really bad guys, right? That's also up for debate. Peruse trafficking arrest records and you'll find many folks like Amber Batt, an Alaska woman who faces 10 to 25 years in federal prison (plus a lifetime on the sex-offender registry) for running an escort service featuring adult women who freely elected to work there. Or Julie Haner, a 19-year-old Oregon sex worker who was charged with trafficking after taking her 17-year-old friend with her to meet clients. Or Aimee Hart, 42, who served seven months in prison and faces 15 years on the sex-offender registry for driving her adult friend to a prostitution job. Or Hortencia Medeles-Arguello, a 71-year-old Houston bar owner arrested as the leader of a "sex trafficking conspiracy" because she allowed prostitution upstairs.
I guess I am in sex trafficking since I enjoy making adult content and getting money for it.
You laugh about it now, but the way moral panics work it might not be funny soon. Remember how funny it was when Donald Trump said he'd run for president? We all had a pretty good chuckle at that one. I'm not comfortable laughing about this yet because the Christofascists won't be happy until they can imprison you and the other adults in your home, steal your home and sell it, justifying it as 'the proceeds of crime' and claim custody of your kids.
It sounds crazy now, but that's how you boil a frog alive, you just keep it slow enough he doesn't jump.
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