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24 Sep 2020, 9:53 am

2 retired 4-star officers who served under Trump endorse Biden

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Two recently retired four-star officers who served under President Donald Trump have joined a group of nearly 500 national security leaders in endorsing Joe Biden and condemning the commander in chief they served.


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24 Sep 2020, 11:01 pm

Pentagon types have never really liked Trump. They see him as trigger-happy and unstable.



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24 Sep 2020, 11:58 pm

Doesn't matter. Those in the military took an oath to defend the constitution. They won't let America's enemies destroy the country.



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25 Sep 2020, 7:08 am

Do you feel Trump is defending the Constitution if he doesn’t step down after losing an election?

If he disputes the election, he should step down and let the courts decide the issue.

Do you realize how bad a precedent would be set if he refuses a smooth transfer of power?



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25 Sep 2020, 7:24 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Do you feel Trump is defending the Constitution if he doesn’t step down after losing an election?

If he disputes the election, he should step down and let the courts decide the issue.

Do you realize how bad a precedent would be set if he refuses a smooth transfer of power?

I'm voting Trump but I think he should give up power if he loses.

I suspect not yielding power would force marshall law,a forcible removal that would invite in the military would not be good.

Of coarse Trump does control the military but a presidency can be suspended if the president is acting crazy(25th amendment)


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25 Sep 2020, 7:54 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Do you feel Trump is defending the Constitution if he doesn’t step down after losing an election?

If he disputes the election, he should step down and let the courts decide the issue.

Do you realize how bad a precedent would be set if he refuses a smooth transfer of power?


Outside of unhinged conspiracy theories, I haven't seen any evidence to show that he won't step down...

True, he has said he may not accept the results, but that does not imply he will not abide by them should he lose. The inane "will you accept the results" questions are designed to cause these sorts of conspiracies: By saying he would accept the results, he would be removing the option to challenge them (think Bush Vs Gore)... By not saying he would accept them, he has left the option to challenge the results. (Besides, there are still a number of people around who have not accepted the last election, complaining that "Hillary won the popular vote", when that was not the aim of the election, and so neither, in theory, were working on a strategy with that goal in mind).

If the reporters were doing their job, they would ask whether he would abide by the results...Absent a "no" to that, claims that he won't step down are worthless.



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25 Sep 2020, 8:05 am

Brictoria wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Do you feel Trump is defending the Constitution if he doesn’t step down after losing an election?

If he disputes the election, he should step down and let the courts decide the issue.

Do you realize how bad a precedent would be set if he refuses a smooth transfer of power?


Outside of unhinged conspiracy theories, I haven't seen any evidence to show that he won't step down...

True, he has said he may not accept the results, but that does not imply he will not abide by them should he lose. The inane "will you accept the results" questions are designed to cause these sorts of conspiracies: By saying he would accept the results, he would be removing the option to challenge them (think Bush Vs Gore)... By not saying he would accept them, he has left the option to challenge the results. (Besides, there are still a number of people around who have not accepted the last election, complaining that "Hillary won the popular vote", when that was not the aim of the election, and so neither, in theory, were working on a strategy with that goal in mind).

If the reporters were doing their job, they would ask whether he would abide by the results...Absent a "no" to that, claims that he won't step down are worthless.
He could state;State of emergency with all the riots and try to hold on that way.Then Biden/Harris/Pelosi would then have to file amendment 25 at SCOTUS and proceed with forcible removal.


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25 Sep 2020, 8:27 am

vermontsavant wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Do you feel Trump is defending the Constitution if he doesn’t step down after losing an election?

If he disputes the election, he should step down and let the courts decide the issue.

Do you realize how bad a precedent would be set if he refuses a smooth transfer of power?


Outside of unhinged conspiracy theories, I haven't seen any evidence to show that he won't step down...

True, he has said he may not accept the results, but that does not imply he will not abide by them should he lose. The inane "will you accept the results" questions are designed to cause these sorts of conspiracies: By saying he would accept the results, he would be removing the option to challenge them (think Bush Vs Gore)... By not saying he would accept them, he has left the option to challenge the results. (Besides, there are still a number of people around who have not accepted the last election, complaining that "Hillary won the popular vote", when that was not the aim of the election, and so neither, in theory, were working on a strategy with that goal in mind).

If the reporters were doing their job, they would ask whether he would abide by the results...Absent a "no" to that, claims that he won't step down are worthless.
He could state;State of emergency with all the riots and try to hold on that way.Then Biden/Harris/Pelosi would then have to file amendment 25 at SCOTUS and proceed with forcible removal.


While possible, there hasn't been any evidence to suggest he will, only assumptions made by the more "partisan" of his oponents.

At this point, it's difficult to decide what would be a better outcome:
Trump wins - punishment for the riots, and vindication following treatment he has received for the past 4 years.
Trump loses and hands over power - Demonstrate how unhinged (and untrustworthy) those claiming that he wouldn't do this were.

The third option (losing and not handing over power), seeems unlikely based on evidence to date...Although if it did occur, it would at least make those claiming this would happen happy, as it would provide what they have been asking for over the past few months with their claims it would happen.



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25 Sep 2020, 8:57 am

Brictoria wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Do you feel Trump is defending the Constitution if he doesn’t step down after losing an election?

If he disputes the election, he should step down and let the courts decide the issue.

Do you realize how bad a precedent would be set if he refuses a smooth transfer of power?


Outside of unhinged conspiracy theories, I haven't seen any evidence to show that he won't step down...

True, he has said he may not accept the results, but that does not imply he will not abide by them should he lose. The inane "will you accept the results" questions are designed to cause these sorts of conspiracies: By saying he would accept the results, he would be removing the option to challenge them (think Bush Vs Gore)... By not saying he would accept them, he has left the option to challenge the results. (Besides, there are still a number of people around who have not accepted the last election, complaining that "Hillary won the popular vote", when that was not the aim of the election, and so neither, in theory, were working on a strategy with that goal in mind).

If the reporters were doing their job, they would ask whether he would abide by the results...Absent a "no" to that, claims that he won't step down are worthless.
He could state;State of emergency with all the riots and try to hold on that way.Then Biden/Harris/Pelosi would then have to file amendment 25 at SCOTUS and proceed with forcible removal.


While possible, there hasn't been any evidence to suggest he will, only assumptions made by the more "partisan" of his oponents.

At this point, it's difficult to decide what would be a better outcome:
Trump wins - punishment for the riots, and vindication following treatment he has received for the past 4 years.
Trump loses and hands over power - Demonstrate how unhinged (and untrustworthy) those claiming that he wouldn't do this were.

The third option (losing and not handing over power), seeems unlikely based on evidence to date...Although if it did occur, it would at least make those claiming this would happen happy, as it would provide what they have been asking for over the past few months with their claims it would happen.
I would agree with you,Trump is not stupid and if he tries to retain a lost presidency it would in the end trigger A-25 and forcible removal by marshall law,which would end bad for Trump.


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25 Sep 2020, 9:07 am

vermontsavant wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Do you feel Trump is defending the Constitution if he doesn’t step down after losing an election?

If he disputes the election, he should step down and let the courts decide the issue.

Do you realize how bad a precedent would be set if he refuses a smooth transfer of power?


Outside of unhinged conspiracy theories, I haven't seen any evidence to show that he won't step down...

True, he has said he may not accept the results, but that does not imply he will not abide by them should he lose. The inane "will you accept the results" questions are designed to cause these sorts of conspiracies: By saying he would accept the results, he would be removing the option to challenge them (think Bush Vs Gore)... By not saying he would accept them, he has left the option to challenge the results. (Besides, there are still a number of people around who have not accepted the last election, complaining that "Hillary won the popular vote", when that was not the aim of the election, and so neither, in theory, were working on a strategy with that goal in mind).

If the reporters were doing their job, they would ask whether he would abide by the results...Absent a "no" to that, claims that he won't step down are worthless.
He could state;State of emergency with all the riots and try to hold on that way.Then Biden/Harris/Pelosi would then have to file amendment 25 at SCOTUS and proceed with forcible removal.


While possible, there hasn't been any evidence to suggest he will, only assumptions made by the more "partisan" of his oponents.

At this point, it's difficult to decide what would be a better outcome:
Trump wins - punishment for the riots, and vindication following treatment he has received for the past 4 years.
Trump loses and hands over power - Demonstrate how unhinged (and untrustworthy) those claiming that he wouldn't do this were.

The third option (losing and not handing over power), seeems unlikely based on evidence to date...Although if it did occur, it would at least make those claiming this would happen happy, as it would provide what they have been asking for over the past few months with their claims it would happen.
I would agree with you,Trump is not stupid and if he tries to retain a lost presidency it would in the end trigger A-25 and forcible removal by marshall law,which would end bad for Trump.


He certainly has a way of getting those opposed to him to appear that way, however...



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25 Sep 2020, 9:11 am

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Pentagon types have never really liked Trump. They see him as trigger-happy and unstable.

It's not like you to make stuff up.

Trump exits areas, brings troops home, and that makes them angry.

US withdrawing thousands of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your ... his-month/

Trump to Pull 9,500 U.S. Troops Out of Germany, Pentagon Says
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-ne ... of-germany

To Block Trump’s Troop Withdrawals, Congress Turns An Old Tactic Upside Down
https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2020/ ... al/166880/

"A bipartisan group of House lawmakers who want to stop President Donald Trump from pulling U.S. troops from military conflicts and overseas bases "

"Among many mainstream Republicans in Congress, Trump’s myriad withdrawal efforts are deeply unpopular"


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25 Sep 2020, 9:18 am

This article is an endorsement of Trump to know the pro-war/pro-military right is angry at Trump.


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25 Sep 2020, 9:45 am

vermontsavant wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Do you feel Trump is defending the Constitution if he doesn’t step down after losing an election?

If he disputes the election, he should step down and let the courts decide the issue.

Do you realize how bad a precedent would be set if he refuses a smooth transfer of power?


Outside of unhinged conspiracy theories, I haven't seen any evidence to show that he won't step down...

True, he has said he may not accept the results, but that does not imply he will not abide by them should he lose. The inane "will you accept the results" questions are designed to cause these sorts of conspiracies: By saying he would accept the results, he would be removing the option to challenge them (think Bush Vs Gore)... By not saying he would accept them, he has left the option to challenge the results. (Besides, there are still a number of people around who have not accepted the last election, complaining that "Hillary won the popular vote", when that was not the aim of the election, and so neither, in theory, were working on a strategy with that goal in mind).

If the reporters were doing their job, they would ask whether he would abide by the results...Absent a "no" to that, claims that he won't step down are worthless.
He could state;State of emergency with all the riots and try to hold on that way.Then Biden/Harris/Pelosi would then have to file amendment 25 at SCOTUS and proceed with forcible removal.


While possible, there hasn't been any evidence to suggest he will, only assumptions made by the more "partisan" of his oponents.

At this point, it's difficult to decide what would be a better outcome:
Trump wins - punishment for the riots, and vindication following treatment he has received for the past 4 years.
Trump loses and hands over power - Demonstrate how unhinged (and untrustworthy) those claiming that he wouldn't do this were.

The third option (losing and not handing over power), seeems unlikely based on evidence to date...Although if it did occur, it would at least make those claiming this would happen happy, as it would provide what they have been asking for over the past few months with their claims it would happen.
I would agree with you,Trump is not stupid and if he tries to retain a lost presidency it would in the end trigger A-25 and forcible removal by marshall law,which would end bad for Trump.

Come January 20,2021 at noon if he has lost meaning the electoral college voted for Biden and congress certified those results and he has not left office the 25th amendment is moot because he would not be President. At that point the secret service is obligated to forcibly remove the security threat in the White House to President Biden. That is still a prescription for people getting killed in the streets, massive self inflicted wound to an already bad economy but the republic would still be standing, shakily but standing. Any other scenario including electors not voting for the winning candidate in their state, congress not certifying the electors votes means the constitution became a useless peace of parchment.


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25 Sep 2020, 10:25 am

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Come January 20,2021 at noon if he has lost meaning the electoral college voted for Biden and congress certified those results and he has not left office the 25th amendment is moot because he would not be President. At that point the secret service is obligated to forcibly remove the security threat in the White House to President Biden. That is still a prescription for people getting killed in the streets, massive self inflicted wound to an already bad economy but the republic would still be standing, shakily but standing. Any other scenario including electors not voting for the winning candidate in their state, congress not certifying the electors votes means the constitution became a useless peace of parchment.

But if declared marshall law and the election a fraud and suspended the constitution,could there be a problem.

I'm not sure how that would be handled in any case it would end bad for Trump and Trump knows that.

Trump would loose in the long run and longer it would take to restore order,the worse punishment on Trump once order is restored.

Trump would be smart to surrender if he loses the election.

I understand your point Aspartofme but could an executive order suspend the election results.

In any case it would end bad for Trump.


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25 Sep 2020, 12:28 pm

Trump does not have any idea of loyalty.

He has put people who were staunch allies under the bus. Including some high in the military hierarchy.



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25 Sep 2020, 1:28 pm

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This article is an endorsement of Trump to know the pro-war/pro-military right is angry at Trump.


Are you dizzy from the spin-doctoring? :lol:


What part of the military is known to make threats like Trump? This man tried to start a war in his own country, just to make a buck selling hats.


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