It's A Coup.

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We are in the middle of a coup.  Use the word.  Become familiar with it.

• Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnel refuses to acknowledge the results of the election.  It's a coup.

• Trump has purged the civilian military leadership, including Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, who previously ruled out using active military against protesters.  It's a coup.

• Secretary of State and former CIA Director Mike Pompeo, among others, won't even commit to a peaceful transition.  It's a coup.

        "There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration." -- Mike Pompeo, 2020-11-10

• It doesn't matter if the Trump administration or their co-conspirators in the Republican Party are successful, their actions in the past weeks are seditious.  There is no incentive for them not to escalate further.

Nothing about this is normal.

It's a coup.



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Last edited by Fnord on 16 Nov 2020, 5:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Steps in the electoral system in the U.S.A.:

1. election is held

2. citizen votes are counted

3. participants may contest procedures
<---YOU ARE HERE

4. results are certified

5. elector votes are cast

6. elector votes are counted

7. winner is declared
<---SOME THINK YOU ARE HERE


It's not a coup, simply the electoral process being folllowed.

Last edited by Feyokien on 16 Nov 2020, 7:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.: snark

Okay.

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Partisans find it inconvenient?

Ditching national security officials repeatedly is not a partisan issue, it's a national security issue.

Trump is not a participant in the real election, he is denying the implications. Actual Republicans are conceding.

Only thing normal is you guys (America) are still in a two party state.

I can't imagine the Tories doing this. Bear in mind, I hate the Tories.

If by some (whatever the evil, secular version of 'miracle' is, fluke is the worst I can think of) the BNP got into power, I can imagine it happening here when they're kicked out after one term.

Regular Republicans I have no time for are conceding. For eg, George W Bush.

By every standard America has, whether it's electoral college or popular vote, Biden has won.

Well, as some commentators have pointed out, there is no requirement that Donald Trump actually concedes.

His presidential term simply ends after 4 years.

Nor does Mitch McConnell need to acknowledge the results of the election. Mark Esper and Mike Pompeo are both irrelevant.

It is the President of the Senate, who - according to the 12th amendment - counts the electoral votes and announces who becomes president and vice president. The Vice President (currently Mike Pence) is the President of the Senate, and he will count the electoral votes on 6 January 2021.

Until then, the toddler known as Trump can unfortunately throw a ton of Trumper Tantrums (tm) and still be legally within the confines of the law.

It may be cuckoo, but it's not a coup.

Oh, tosh.

I bet your left testicle that there will be a smooth transition on the 22nd(?).

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I agree, but I don't see a problem with finding out if there was voter fraud.
That can only be good for American Democracy, right?

Let's consider...


Even assuming nothing changes with regards to the results, until January next year, Mr Trump is still your President, and thus the rights\resposibilities of the role remain his. Should someone be fired before that time, there is nothing to prevent them being re-hired when the new regime take over.

As to the reasons for the firings: If the role requires them to follow the directions of the head of the Executive branch, and they have failed to do so (for example), then they are more of a security threat in their role, and should be removed.



Given the suggestion from a former, unsuccessful candidate that Mr Biden


Why should a similar standard not apply to Mr Trump?

Similarly, from the first debate:

Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/30/presidential-debate-read-full-transcript-first-debate/3587462001/

So, given the above, yes - it is the partisans who are finding facts uncomfortable...And the more partisan they are, the more they appear to wish to have the electoral process (with included ability to challenge results) circumvented so that their candidate can claim victory.

Acting like a politician (casino owner) is infallible is wrong. I don't even have words for this ...

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In certain countries, Trump's recent actions and words could lead to the impression that there's the potential for a coup.

But.....we have too much entrenched pride in our institutions, and won't allow the "coup" to happen should there be the contemplation of it.

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If people can't engage in discussion without resorting to mockery and attacks then many of the threads about the U.S. election will turn into locked topics. Last warning.

I think it's fair to say Americans here are sick & tired of being sold fascism by people who have not experienced this kind of government.

Can they all be locked, anyway?  cberg hits it inside the ballpark when he says Americans are sick and tired -- although some of us are sick and tired of being handed half-truths and lies about our own elections by people from other countries.  Can nothing be done?

The simplest solution would be to provide facts (along with sources to permit readers to verify or disprove them) which disprove the "half-truths and lies" which you believe are being presented...And as a bonus, this can be done by anyone, does not require a moderator's assistance, and allows threads to remain open for those interested in discussing the relevent topics.