21 Nov 2020, 5:12 am
Pepe wrote:
I don't really care.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Brictoria wrote:
ving the threat aware that America is an ally can be all that is needed to deter the threat from taking action...
That being the case, why on Earth have you guys been in favor of Trump, who has been backing out of international treaties and distancing the U.S. from its allies???
21 Nov 2020, 5:21 am
Mona Pereth wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I don't really care.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Brictoria wrote:
ving the threat aware that America is an ally can be all that is needed to deter the threat from taking action...
That being the case, why on Earth have you guys been in favor of Trump, who has been backing out of international treaties and distancing the U.S. from its allies???
Trump put trade pressure on China*, improved the American economy, brought manufacturing back to America, protected American IP, prohibited ownership of shares in China*s* owned companies(?) in America. Made Nato pay its way, improved the living standards of the coloured people through better wages and increased numbers of jobs, warp speeded the vaccine, but don't say I said that.
But I am not a Trump fanboy.
If the Democrats keep the pressure on the China*s*, I'd be happy with that too.
21 Nov 2020, 5:25 am
Sweetleaf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I don't really care.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
damn, I sure hope not...we already have enough on our plate, without having to ensure the continuing existence of australia.
China*'s ultimate goal is to dominate the world including America.
21 Nov 2020, 6:47 am
21 Nov 2020, 1:53 pm
Pepe wrote:
Trump put trade pressure on 中国, improved the 美国 economy, brought manufacturing back to 美国, protected 美国 IP, prohibited ownership of shares in 中国 owned companies(?) in 美国. Made Nato pay its way, improved the living standards of the coloured 人 through better wages and increased numbers of 工作, warp speeded the vaccine, but don't say I said that.
But I am not a 笨蛋 fanboy.
If the Democrats keep the pressure on the 中国人, I'd be happy with that too.
But I am not a 笨蛋 fanboy.
If the Democrats keep the pressure on the 中国人, I'd be happy with that too.
What pressure?
Source: My own graph based on the following data from the IMF World Economic Outlook:
https://knoema.com/IMFWEO2020Oct/imf-wo ... ober-2020#
The 2020 figure is of course a preliminary estimate - as of October 2020 - but it is in line with the general expectation that the Chinese economy will still achieve net growth in 2020 despite of COVID-19.
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21 Nov 2020, 3:51 pm
Pepe wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I don't really care.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
damn, I sure hope not...we already have enough on our plate, without having to ensure the continuing existence of australia.
Sometimes, having the threat aware that America is an ally can be all that is needed to deter the threat from taking action...
Sure, I guess there is that but still 60 more days of time for Trump and his GOP to wreck things so who knows what all exactly is going to occur in December. Certainly seems their goal is to sabotage as much as they can before getting out of office. I just hope other county allies have a back up plan that involves not depending on the U.S for anything. But even with the change in presidency we just have a broken f*ked up system so yeah find a way to not depend on America because you'll just get dragged down. At least that is how it seems right now.
Trump wants to implement as many things he planned for before he vacates the presidency, hence the change of some of the military hierarchy, for one thing.
READ MY LIPS: Trump will NOT attempt a coup.
The idea is preposterous.
You are probably right that he won't, and I should try and stay positive I guess. But I am worried of what the Repugnantans(republicans) will be getting up to for the next four years till the next election.
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21 Nov 2020, 4:24 pm
Pepe wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I don't really care.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Brictoria wrote:
ving the threat aware that America is an ally can be all that is needed to deter the threat from taking action...
That being the case, why on Earth have you guys been in favor of Trump, who has been backing out of international treaties and distancing the U.S. from its allies???
Trump put trade pressure on China*, improved the American economy, brought manufacturing back to America, protected American IP, prohibited ownership of shares in China*s* owned companies(?) in America. Made Nato pay its way, improved the living standards of the coloured people through better wages and increased numbers of jobs, warp speeded the vaccine, but don't say I said that.
But I am not a Trump fanboy.
If the Democrats keep the pressure on the China*s*, I'd be happy with that too.
What exactly do you mean by China*? China?
Also, he did not bring manufacturing back to America and all his china tariffs did was hurt the farmers and agriculture workers. He's also done everything he can to harm the environment and turn back any policies meant to help protect it. Also not really sure he really improved the standards that much for any of the poor regardless of ethnicity, if anything I have seen more homeless people than ever.
21 Nov 2020, 4:31 pm
GGPViper wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Trump put trade pressure on 中国, improved the 美国 economy, brought manufacturing back to 美国, protected 美国 IP, prohibited ownership of shares in 中国 owned companies(?) in 美国. Made Nato pay its way, improved the living standards of the coloured 人 through better wages and increased numbers of 工作, warp speeded the vaccine, but don't say I said that.
But I am not a 笨蛋 fanboy.
If the Democrats keep the pressure on the 中国人, I'd be happy with that too.
But I am not a 笨蛋 fanboy.
If the Democrats keep the pressure on the 中国人, I'd be happy with that too.
What pressure?
Source: My own graph based on the following data from the IMF World Economic Outlook:
https://knoema.com/IMFWEO2020Oct/imf-wo ... ober-2020#
The 2020 figure is of course a preliminary estimate - as of October 2020 - but it is in line with the general expectation that the Chinese economy will still achieve net growth in 2020 despite of COVID-19.
The China*s* were really pissed off with Trump's tariffs and encouraging manufacturing back to America.
That has to be a good thing.
21 Nov 2020, 4:34 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I don't really care.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
damn, I sure hope not...we already have enough on our plate, without having to ensure the continuing existence of australia.
Sometimes, having the threat aware that America is an ally can be all that is needed to deter the threat from taking action...
Sure, I guess there is that but still 60 more days of time for Trump and his GOP to wreck things so who knows what all exactly is going to occur in December. Certainly seems their goal is to sabotage as much as they can before getting out of office. I just hope other county allies have a back up plan that involves not depending on the U.S for anything. But even with the change in presidency we just have a broken f*ked up system so yeah find a way to not depend on America because you'll just get dragged down. At least that is how it seems right now.
Trump wants to implement as many things he planned for before he vacates the presidency, hence the change of some of the military hierarchy, for one thing.
READ MY LIPS: Trump will NOT attempt a coup.
The idea is preposterous.
You are probably right that he won't, and I should try and stay positive I guess. But I am worried of what the Repugnantans(republicans) will be getting up to for the next four years till the next election.
I am sure it couldn't be worse than the regressive progressive's mischief after Trump won the election, 4 years ago.
21 Nov 2020, 4:37 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I don't really care.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Brictoria wrote:
ving the threat aware that America is an ally can be all that is needed to deter the threat from taking action...
That being the case, why on Earth have you guys been in favor of Trump, who has been backing out of international treaties and distancing the U.S. from its allies???
Trump put trade pressure on China*, improved the American economy, brought manufacturing back to America, protected American IP, prohibited ownership of shares in China*s* owned companies(?) in America. Made Nato pay its way, improved the living standards of the coloured people through better wages and increased numbers of jobs, warp speeded the vaccine, but don't say I said that.
But I am not a Trump fanboy.
If the Democrats keep the pressure on the China*s*, I'd be happy with that too.
What exactly do you mean by China*? China?
Also, he did not bring manufacturing back to America and all his china tariffs did was hurt the farmers and agriculture workers. He's also done everything he can to harm the environment and turn back any policies meant to help protect it. Also not really sure he really improved the standards that much for any of the poor regardless of ethnicity, if anything I have seen more homeless people than ever.
So, are you saying everything/k republican is evil and everything/k democrat is angelic?
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21 Nov 2020, 5:42 pm
Pepe wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I don't really care.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Brictoria wrote:
ving the threat aware that America is an ally can be all that is needed to deter the threat from taking action...
That being the case, why on Earth have you guys been in favor of Trump, who has been backing out of international treaties and distancing the U.S. from its allies???
Trump put trade pressure on China*, improved the American economy, brought manufacturing back to America, protected American IP, prohibited ownership of shares in China*s* owned companies(?) in America. Made Nato pay its way, improved the living standards of the coloured people through better wages and increased numbers of jobs, warp speeded the vaccine, but don't say I said that.
But I am not a Trump fanboy.
If the Democrats keep the pressure on the China*s*, I'd be happy with that too.
What exactly do you mean by China*? China?
Also, he did not bring manufacturing back to America and all his china tariffs did was hurt the farmers and agriculture workers. He's also done everything he can to harm the environment and turn back any policies meant to help protect it. Also not really sure he really improved the standards that much for any of the poor regardless of ethnicity, if anything I have seen more homeless people than ever.
So, are you saying everything/k republican is evil and everything/k democrat is angelic?
No I would not say that. And I was a pretty reluctant democrat voter, since I think a lot of times the democrats just p**** foot around instead of making a stand and over-all the Democratic party is too centrist for my liking. But I do feel at this point they are the lesser of two evils therefore I vote that way.
I'd rather just have socialism, but that's probably not going to happen anytime soon. People are just too addicted to capitalism currently. I'd even go as far as saying I'd be fine with a cap on individual wealth.
21 Nov 2020, 6:21 pm
Pepe wrote:
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Mostly what I know about Australia is that the TRAINZ Railroad Simulator program is a product of a company there.
I would like to say that's a joke but as my health declines I just can not keep track of as many things as when I was in to railway history and military history and current events for both.
Have been in a couple model railway and model airplane forums which have a notable percentage of Australian members.
And New Zealanders too.
Those forums don't much offer a venue for talking politics but things do sometimes get communicated.
21 Nov 2020, 6:42 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I don't really care.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Steve Irwin was your biggest export but he is gone now. Such a badass dude! Maybe the Funnel Webs, Redback Spiders, White Tail Spiders, Snakes, Venomous Plants, Great Whites, Jellyfish, can scare off any invader. Funnel Webs are hardcore motherfer's, They are definitely not a spider you want to mess around with. I think they are the 2nd or 3rd most venomous spider in the world. The Brazilian Wandering Spider and the Six Eyed Sand spider are deadlier.Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
I miss him he was awesome, and yeah still rather sad he's not around anymore.
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21 Nov 2020, 7:28 pm
StayFrosty wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I don't really care.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Steve Irwin was your biggest export but he is gone now. Such a badass dude! Maybe the Funnel Webs, Redback Spiders, White Tail Spiders, Snakes, Venomous Plants, Great Whites, Jellyfish, can scare off any invader. Funnel Webs are hardcore motherfer's, They are definitely not a spider you want to mess around with. I think they are the 2nd or 3rd most venomous spider in the world. The Brazilian Wandering Spider and the Six Eyed Sand spider are deadlier.Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
I miss him he was awesome, and yeah still rather sad he's not around anymore.
I know...I mean that is a pretty metal way to go I guess, getting stabbed through the heart by a stingray. But damn do I miss Steve like I pretty much religiously watched his show the crocodile hunter when I was a kid.
21 Nov 2020, 7:47 pm
Pepe wrote:
uncommondenominator wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I don't really care.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
damn, I sure hope not...we already have enough on our plate, without having to ensure the continuing existence of australia.
Sometimes, having the threat aware that America is an ally can be all that is needed to deter the threat from taking action...
That was the case with the Indonesians, a ways back.
Indonesia was threatening war with Australia.
They backed down 48 hours later when America made it clear they would back us.
Are you referring to this?
https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/event/i ... rly%201963.
If not this, then to what are you referring?
Nope.
I think it was to do with the conflict over East Timor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia ... East_Timor
Try again, though at least this one mentions america. Indonesia was invading Timor after Timor's government collapsed when Portugal de-colonized it. Australia and America were both *helping* Indonesia. Indonesia was not threatening to invade Australia. America did not prevent anything. They helped the occupation.
Australia seems pretty proud of the fact that their invasion rate is between zero and one, depending on who's history you go by. Surrounded by reefs and shoals, historically difficult to navigate waters, large sections of coast not conducive to a landing party... Not to mention that if you look at Indonesia and Australia, it doesn't pose much of a threat.
It's pretty wild how some people seem to think they have laser-precise insight into the workings of a foreign nation, but don't even seem to know their own history too well...
21 Nov 2020, 8:21 pm
Mona Pereth wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I don't really care.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Australia's literal existence may depend on a strong American ally.
Brictoria wrote:
ving the threat aware that America is an ally can be all that is needed to deter the threat from taking action...
That being the case, why on Earth have you guys been in favor of Trump, who has been backing out of international treaties and distancing the U.S. from its allies???
Perhaps some people might find it highly reassuring knowing that if america's allies got invaded on trump's watch, he would immediately compliment the invaders (you're not going to win them over by insulting them, after all), point out that there are fine people on both sides (no sense in being "biased" or alienating people for no reason) and call the invasion "fake news" - so as not to panic anyone, of course - before deciding what favor he wants from you before lying promising he'll help...
So, despite the fact that some people seem to think that "both sides are equally bad, but one side is still better", or even "both sides are equally bad, but one side is good bad and the other side is BAD bad!", or even the basic, "one side is good and the other side is bad!", so everything hinges on the "good" people, if there even are any, being in charge, AND trusting they'll do the right thing, is THE BEST hope they think they have? They way they talk about how horrible violent and dangerous some americans can be, it's amazing they're willing to trust america at all.
It's amazing how people that are literally on the other side of the planet can have such intimate knowledge of places they've never been to.
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