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24 Nov 2020, 10:27 pm

The Dangers of Safety - Christine Rosen for Commentary Magazine

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The pursuit of safetyism now extends well beyond de-platforming controversial speakers or canceling inappropriately woke faculty members; even symbols that are deemed threatening by a few individuals are now fair game for cancellation.

In Pelham, N.Y., the New York Times recently reported, the superintendent of a public school district prohibited employees from wearing any symbols that might be construed as supportive of law enforcement. The offending item was a sweatshirt that featured a small “thin blue line” flag, a longtime symbol of support for law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty. The shirt also featured the name of New York Transit police detective George Caccavale, a resident of Pelham who was killed on the job in 1976. As the Rockland/Westchester Journal News reported, the sweatshirt “was designed and sold by Caccavale’s family to raise money for police spouses and families of slain officers. Four of his grandchildren are currently students in the district.”

No matter. The school superintendent declared that the thin blue line flag was “threatening in nature” and claimed that banning it was the only way “to protect students.” Meanwhile, the school district allowed employees to wear T-shirts with the names of black people who had been killed by cops, and other symbols linked to the Black Lives Matter movement, until an uproar prompted her to rescind that policy as well. Thus, the school was forced to declare all symbolic clothing off-limits to employees (students are still allowed to wear political items as long as they aren’t “disruptive.”)

When some parents and local law enforcement officials offered to bring police officers into the schools to discuss students’ concerns and fears about the symbol, minority students rejected the idea outright. That just goes to show that the objectors’ interest isn’t in fostering understanding or cooperation but banning speech and symbols with which they disagree.

College students, too, have claimed the flag is a direct threat to their safety. At the University of Wisconsin, Madison, student activists have demanded that the university’s police department (which they also want to abolish) should not be allowed to display the flag in their own office.

Like the people protesting in Pelham, UW-M students argue that if even one person is offended by the symbol, or chooses to interpret it as a symbol of white supremacy, it shouldn’t be displayed at all.

This is a dangerous line of argument for those on the left to make. If the thin blue line flag can be said to be endorsing white supremacy, then the many symbols and slogans associated with the BLM movement can be said to be equally supportive of violence.

This extreme safetyism principle would also apply to other triggering symbols, such as imagery that glorifies communism or socialism, as those could be said to make people who know the history of Venezuela, the USSR, or China feel threatened by what they are seeing. Do progressive really want to relinquish their hipster Che T-shirts and ironical Mao posters?

“X makes me feel unsafe,” whether said by suburban high schoolers or elite reporters at places like the New York Times, has become a catchall justification for some disturbingly authoritarian behavior.

Safety can be both objectively measured (a stranger’s T-shirt is not, in fact, a deadly threat) and subjectively experienced (what seems fine to one person may appear aggressive to another, e.g.). That’s why we have robust free speech rights: not so that people will be protected from others’ views, but to protect others’ right to express them, regardless of how they make anyone else feel. There are limits to this principle, of course, but the starting point should always be an assumption of freedom.

Speech policies that take extreme safetyism as their starting point assume that feelings matter more than those freedoms, and as a result often end up functioning as window dressing for ideological power grabs rather than protecting students.


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25 Nov 2020, 12:26 am

Hmmm, I was under the impression that most schools had a longstanding policy of not allowing teachers or staff to express their political views, in any way whatsoever, in front of students. I'm surprised to see this sort of thing being complained about as if it were a radical new innovation.


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25 Nov 2020, 12:37 am

30 years ago I was sexually assaulted by a gay man so the existence and presence of gays and men offends me.
Yesterday a woman neighbor threatened to shoot me so the existence and presence of women offends me.


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25 Nov 2020, 9:56 am

You are apparently equating (1) prejudice against classes of people, based on overgeneralizations, with (2) objections to political expression in inappropriate contexts?

Many schools have had longstanding policies prohibiting political expression by teachers and school staff while on the job. Many other kinds of workplaces have had similar prohibitions. This is nothing new.


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25 Nov 2020, 10:08 am

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25 Nov 2020, 2:38 pm

From what I remember my social studies teachers sometimes expressed their political views. When the Vietnam Moratorium day and Kent State happened teachers carried signs for and against (mostly against). And we had to say the pledge of allegiance which certainly is a political statement and was controversial. Some anti war students wanted the right to not say it. It was not a matter of feeling threatened it was a matter of freedom of speech. It was the conservatives trying to censor them and impose their political correctness(a phrase not invented yet).

Anyhow what was banned was not a political statement but memorial to a local person which is common.

This superintendent seems to be giving in to everything. Students will pick up on that and demand all manner of things. I would not blame them.


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25 Nov 2020, 3:01 pm

I know the right side had ruled our country for years and years and then humans started to stand up for themselves. Women, minorities, disabled people. That is why we have more human rights.

I am sure back then people were against it and opposed. If this was how you grew up, it's normal to you and change is scary. Even NTs hate change.

This is nothing new. Look back at our history. Remember when homophobia was normal and acted like it didn't exist? Now it's frowned upon, same as transphobia.

I am sure it was group thinking to believe in women rights and rights for black people to vote and end Jim Crow law, imagine that.

And I remember when Bill Clinton was discussed in our school. He was painted as a good man because it only showed him doing good things and he was part of our social studies or current events. We were even told about the 1996 flooding here in Portland as it happened.


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25 Nov 2020, 3:23 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
From what I remember my social studies teachers sometimes expressed their political views.

In a social studies class, politics is directly relevant to the subject matter, so it may be difficult to avoid expressing some political views. This is a sticky issue, about which see this 2019 article. However, in most other contexts, teachers and other school employees are not allowed to express their political views in the presence of students on school grounds. See this 2008 article.

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When the Vietnam Moratorium day and Kent State happened teachers carried signs for and against (mostly against)

Did they carry these signs in the classroom, or on their own time, outside of school grounds? The latter has always been allowed. It's only the expression of political views within the classroom or other school-related setting that can be restricted.

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And we had to say the pledge of allegiance which certainly is a political statement and was controversial. Some anti war students wanted the right to not say it. It was not a matter of feeling threatened it was a matter of freedom of speech. It was the conservatives trying to censor them and impose their political correctness(a phrase not invented yet).

Anyhow what was banned was not a political statement but memorial to a local person which is common.

Problem: What happens when the memorial involves a politically controversial symbol? In the article you quoted, the banned symbol was a “thin blue line” flag emblem worn by a school employee. That symbol, alas, has come to signify more than just mourning for police officers killed in the line of duty. Likewise, BLM symbols signify more than just mourning for Black people killed by police officers. BLM advocates specific reforms, some of which are controversial.

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This superintendent seems to be giving in to everything. Students will pick up on that and demand all manner of things. I would not blame them.

Perhaps so, but there is plenty of precedent for prohibiting the wearing of these particular kinds of things by school employees in the presence of students.


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25 Nov 2020, 6:16 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
From what I remember my social studies teachers sometimes expressed their political views.

In a social studies class, politics is directly relevant to the subject matter, so it may be difficult to avoid expressing some political views. This is a sticky issue, about which see this 2019 article. However, in most other contexts, teachers and other school employees are not allowed to express their political views in the presence of students on school grounds. See this 2008 article.

ASPartOfMe wrote:
When the Vietnam Moratorium day and Kent State happened teachers carried signs for and against (mostly against)

Did they carry these signs in the classroom, or on their own time, outside of school grounds? The latter has always been allowed. It's only the expression of political views within the classroom or other school-related setting that can be restricted.

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And we had to say the pledge of allegiance which certainly is a political statement and was controversial. Some anti war students wanted the right to not say it. It was not a matter of feeling threatened it was a matter of freedom of speech. It was the conservatives trying to censor them and impose their political correctness(a phrase not invented yet).

Anyhow what was banned was not a political statement but memorial to a local person which is common.

Problem: What happens when the memorial involves a politically controversial symbol? In the article you quoted, the banned symbol was a “thin blue line” flag emblem worn by a school employee. That symbol, alas, has come to signify more than just mourning for police officers killed in the line of duty. Likewise, BLM symbols signify more than just mourning for Black people killed by police officers. BLM advocates specific reforms, some of which are controversial.

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This superintendent seems to be giving in to everything. Students will pick up on that and demand all manner of things. I would not blame them.

Perhaps so, but there is plenty of precedent for prohibiting the wearing of these particular kinds of things by school employees in the presence of students.


Kent State was 50 years ago and memories have faded but if I remember correctly the signs were outside during lunch hour but regular class topics were dropped for discussion of current events on those few days. These events happened when I was in Jr. High( middle school). That protest era started when I was in elementary school but no politics there, by the time I was in high school the protests faded and died out. Back then the college students had more important things to feel threatened then by clothing accessories such as being drafted to Vietnam.

The blue flags have been hijacked by MAGA’s but if one has a name as a memorial that should be explained. It would be educational which is supposed to be the purpose of school.


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25 Nov 2020, 6:44 pm

The reason why blue flags are seen as Swastikas is because White Supremists use them. It's a countermovemwnt against black lives.

You would have to be naive to think blue flags are just to support police and for sacrificing their lives and they get killed by criminals. Not realizing the movement behind the flag.


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25 Nov 2020, 6:55 pm

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The reason why blue flags are seen as Swastikas is because White Supremists use them. It's a countermovemwnt against black lives.

You would have to be naive to think blue flags are just to support police and for sacrificing their lives and they get killed by criminals. Not realizing the movement behind the flag.

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The offending item was a sweatshirt that featured a small “thin blue line” flag, a longtime symbol of support for law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty. The shirt also featured the name of New York Transit police detective George Caccavale, a resident of Pelham who was killed on the job in 1976. As the Rockland/Westchester Journal News reported, the sweatshirt “was designed and sold by Caccavale’s family to raise money for police spouses and families of slain officers. Four of his grandchildren are currently students in the district.”

White supremacy, swastika, really? I guess anything is possible.


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26 Nov 2020, 4:33 pm

The Short, Fraught History of the ‘Thin Blue Line’ American Flag by Maurice Chammah and Cary Aspinwall, 06.08.2020: "The controversial version of the U.S. flag has been hailed as a sign of police solidarity and criticized as a symbol of white supremacy."

This article includes various perspectives about the "Thin Blue Line" flag, which means different things to different people.


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28 Nov 2020, 2:41 pm

League_Girl wrote:
The reason why blue flags are seen as Swastikas is because White Supremists use them. It's a countermovemwnt against black lives.

You would have to be naive to think blue flags are just to support police and for sacrificing their lives and they get killed by criminals. Not realizing the movement behind the flag.

This is part of why the idea of dog-whistles or that we should be constructing society around the potential of them gives me chills and this really hit home for me when Christian Picciolini was on Sam Harris and started talking about dog-whistles. That just means anyone whose been tagged as 'x' inappropriate group who has accelerationist aims should be as aggressive as possible about using everything and anything that's needed for social cohesion or anything short of total war of all against all as a dog-whistle. It's not even like negotiating with terrorists, it's like giving them everything they want because they're controlling our moral reflexes.

Game theory traps like this really make me wonder if civilizational collapse is something akin to a law of physics, where if you won't participate in it enough someone else's will until it's done and that would cut across so many domains where it just takes a diligent minority in that domain - whether it's the Wall Street bankers pushing for repeal of Glass-Steagall, whether it's the DC lobbyists pushing for deregulation on their given enterprises or regulation against others, whether it's tech thinking open and easy anonymous communication across the world is a great thing, whether it's any group trying to rip social regulations down not just for fundamental rights but then pushing farther into whatever institutions offend them, it's just all steps in that direction where it's constant ripping of red tape but nothing being added which reinforces social or economic cohesion.


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