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13 Dec 2020, 5:38 am

Despite being prohibited in several jurisdictions, no one can ever explain the contours of what and when what form of speech is considered hateful enough to initiate criminal charges. Is it just a leftwing manifest that masquerades itself as a virtuous enterprise, yet deliberately odds itself with free speech (which is even more important)?


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13 Dec 2020, 6:08 am

The concept of hate speech is likely highly influenced by the historical use of Blood libel to incite violence against Jewish communities.

As such, it predates the modern concept of "left" and "right" by centuries, and perhaps more than a millennium.

The most egregious cases of hate speech have been the Nuremberg Trials (here, Julius Streicher was convicted and executed based on his antisemitic writings), the Rwanda Genocide, and former Yugoslavia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitemen ... e#Case_law



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13 Dec 2020, 6:15 am

Vaguely yes, although I would hope people are left wing enough to not incite hatred against minority groups who have no choice but to be the demographic they were born as.

Just because something is left wing doesn't make it evil.

Don't do hate speech on the site, it can get you banned. Generic 'you' not specific 'you'.

That makes the place more tolerable for minorities.

When hate speech is allowed, it curtails other forms of speech. Why would someone decide to come out when they weren't particularly brave and the site let for eg members of the Westboro Baptist Church on? And ok, they might do that in terms of an online anonymous site, but what about in a workplace?


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13 Dec 2020, 7:03 am

Well, you've obviously never been bullied because you were born in a different country to the one you went to school in.



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13 Dec 2020, 7:04 am

Mechanical_Judiciary wrote:
free speech (which is even more important)?

I don't think it's particulary important to be able to be hateful to other people for no reason, however if you're not doing that then it's likely not hate speech. Do you think left wing people are trying to take away your right to free speach? As KT67 says there is a balance to be struck where one person being free to say what they want might prevent someone else from feeling able.


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13 Dec 2020, 7:58 am

The sh***y thing is that there is no codes or objective adjudication that can differentiate between free speech or 'hate speech.' It is a roll of the dice.


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13 Dec 2020, 9:27 am

Mechanical_Judiciary wrote:
Despite being prohibited in several jurisdictions, no one can ever explain the contours of what and when what form of speech is considered hateful enough to initiate criminal charges.

What country to you live in?

Here in the U.S.A., there are no laws against hate speech per se. Such laws would be unconstitutional here in the U.S.A. But there may be other, nonlegal consequences for hate speech, such as being fired from a job or having your posts deleted in an online forum. Also, although "hate speech" per se is not illegal, hate speech can be used as evidence of motive for a "hate crime" (violence, vandalism, etc. motivated by hatred of someone's race, religion, etc.)


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