Does the modern world have no room for forgiveness

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13 Jan 2021, 3:59 pm

I was thinking about how many scandals we have these days, with politics, people in the entertainment industry and business, and think that some of the people who have their lives ruined by scandals in the papers sometimes do very little in order to have their career and life ruined.

I was thinking that the way the world is now, for people in the spotlight, there often is very little forgiveness by the papers/media and by those who follow them.

Does anyone else feel that the power of the press to ruin people over very little has gone too far? Or do you think that the journalists (who are almost always profiting from others hardship) right in terms of attacking everyone they can to make money?



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13 Jan 2021, 4:18 pm

I tend to agree. It makes me sad. People should be allowed their private lives. In our society nothing seems to be sacred anymore. Most people just want to be accepted, loved, and understood. Its not that hard to show compassion, empathy, and respect to others. But it seems our media and much of the populace thrives on the misery and destruction of others.


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13 Jan 2021, 6:50 pm

Famous people tend to have their privacy violated on a regular basis.

I believe there is a sort of "forgiveness"---in the sense of people having a short attention span, and forgetting about a scandal a few days after the exposition of the scandal.

It was quite a phenomenon in the United States when Trump would say or do something, people would criticize him for saying or doing that something---then, a few days later, all would be forgotten (until the next time Trump said or did something).

One example: Very few people remember that Trump called Prisoners of War people who should not have been captured in the first place. And he insulted John McCain mightily (a fellow Republican).



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13 Jan 2021, 6:55 pm

Cancel culture matters more imo if people care about who's cancelling them.

If they seek a sense of community in the people who cancel them & they get cast out, that hurts more than if they don't really care what those people think of them.

Immature people just cancel people forever with no sense of awareness when someone changes. I think that is down to inexperience - not realising that life is a long time & someone can genuinely change their ways within a decade or so.

For eg I'm thinking of a comedian I like now. He used to always kick down, always go for the easiest and edgiest joke. I didn't like that. These days, he tries for that same edge while kicking up or making self depricating jokes. I think that takes more strength & I like him now.


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13 Jan 2021, 7:10 pm

I will forgive Donald Trump AFTER he apologizes for inciting insurrection against the U.S. government.


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13 Jan 2021, 7:14 pm

"Does the modern world have no room for forgiveness ?"

I suspect as little room as the ancient world may have had, suggested by the limitations in the laws of the Old Testment and of Hammurabi (of Mesopotamia), "(No more than) an eye for and eye,tooth for a tooth", or tales of how one wrong one clan or family to another set off sometimes bloody and vicious feuds which went on generations, long after the individuals who were responsible were dead.



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13 Jan 2021, 9:25 pm

I think people are very slow to forgive, these days.


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14 Jan 2021, 11:00 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
I think people are very slow to forgive, these days.
"These days"?

Have you spoken to any southerners lately about the War of Northern Aggression (1860-1865)?

Be sure to tell them that one of your ancestors was named "W.T.Sherman".


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14 Jan 2021, 11:02 am

People say 'these days' too often imo, it gets on my nerves.

And when they say it, ppl my age always mean compared to the 90s and older ppl always mean compared to the 50s. Like there was no time before they were born.


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14 Jan 2021, 11:25 am

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Does anyone else think that people are evolving too fast these days?  I mean, it seems like only yesterday we were all flopping around and enjoying the primordial ooze and suddenly, we all have legs, breathe air, and hunt down our prey in the frozen-meats section...

Kids these days ... they don't know how good they have it.  Back when I was their age, it took ten or twenty good men with clubs to bring down just one mastodon, and now they get all upset if Amazon does not deliver their Big Macs within 30 minutes or less....


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14 Jan 2021, 1:45 pm

Things like mass murder are not even mentioned in many cases. If you buy chocolate, odds are high that you are forgiving slavery. The little scandals that ruin lives are mostly pursued for ulterior motives, such as revenge for an unrelated or even imagined incident, or to increase prejudice.



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14 Jan 2021, 3:31 pm

I think the lines between legitimate outcry and inflated rage (cancel culture) has become very blurred. Famous people should not have their privacy violated, but nor should they commit crimes. I have room for forgiveness - if they learn from the experience and become better people. (If the outcry was even justified in the first place that is.)


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14 Jan 2021, 3:47 pm

Oh, another reason for small scandals becoming huge - it sells lots of advertising.
I think that privacy should be inverse to wealth, because the rich are mostly habitual criminals, and none of them need wealth.



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14 Jan 2021, 11:03 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Famous people tend to have their privacy violated on a regular basis.

Actually, according to my boyfriend who has a friend who used to work in Hollywood, many entertainment celebrities -- and their agents -- deliberately allow their privacy to be "violated," as a publicity stunt, to keep themselves in the news and thus advance their careers through popular name recognition. Indeed a lot of the interpersonal drama that goes on in Hollywood and gets reported in tabloids -- the divorces, remarriages, affairs, and quarrels -- is deliberately publicized, and sometimes deliberately fomented in the first place, by the celebrities' agents. (For example, my boyfriend's friend once deliberately fomented a quarrel between two rappers -- which eventually led to one of the rappers murdering the other, although this was not the original intent.)

But I certainly agree that violation of the privacy of people who aren't entertainment celebrities is a big problem these days. (By "these days," in this case, I mean the era of mass Internet access and social media.)


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14 Jan 2021, 11:20 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Famous people tend to have their privacy violated on a regular basis.

But I certainly agree that violation of the privacy of people who aren't entertainment celebrities is a big problem these days. (By "these days," in this case, I mean the era of mass Internet access and social media.)


I remember a prominent politician whose chances were ruined by one video shot by a waiter, showing what he said to the rich, as opposed to his official platform. I'd like to see a lot more of that, and a lot less about romantic affairs, etc.



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15 Jan 2021, 4:59 am

Dear_one wrote:
Oh, another reason for small scandals becoming huge - it sells lots of advertising.
I think that privacy should be inverse to wealth, because the rich are mostly habitual criminals, and none of them need wealth.


Where is the proof in such a bold claim and what do you define as wealthy?