Treatment of left wing rioters vs pro Trump rioters

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This post is virtue signaling. As I mentioned in another thread the Trump insurrection is a huge gift to the wokes politically. From now on most any argument that does not deviate from the Trump insurrectionists were treated with kid gloves while left wing protesters were treated with police brutality or worse because the left wingers were black or supported black people while the Trump insurrectionists are white will be viewed as racist. That is just how it is going to be and that is the Trumpists and there enablers own doing.

Ok lets compare. The Trump rioters were not given autonomous zones nor have any MAGA rioters been able to riot 100 straight days.

The Trump rioters did not set afire or try to set afire government buildings unlike left wing ones who tried and some cases burned down police stations.

Unlike the left wing riots nobody has defended the Trump insurrection as a “mostly peaceful” “protest”. Most of the demonstrators were not assaulting the capital building but standing outside on the lawn in the cold all afternoon.

You saw what I did there. I made my point using facts in a simplistic emotional way. That is the same tactic those that show hundreds of armed law enforcement on the capital steps during what is described as BLM protests and comparing that with the almost no show non response at the beginning of the insurrection use.

Drawing conclusions of double standards of the treatment of the insurrectionists in one riot vs treatments protesters in the thousands of violent and non violent left wing protests in the last year is problematic.

As I have said again and again BLM is not just a protest against mistreatment but a revolutionary movement in that it wants to “defund” law enforcement based on a radically different belief in American history. The people who assaulted the capital are revolutionaries for hopefully obvious reasons.

While each situation varies in general riots have been treated too nicely and excuses made for them too often. We are seeing the results.

I am more then furious at the non response to the attack on our capital. This was in my opinion the most serious act of rebellion against US government since the civil war and the revolutionaries should have been treated like the confederates.

I don’t buy the we did not expect this claim. There was endless warnings, we had the precedents of breaches of statehouses and the internet was on fire with talk of storming the capital. There are two plausible explanations for the pathetic response. After a year of blistering criticism, defunding and so on law enforcement is so afraid to look bad they are afraid of their own shadow. Inside job by top law enforcement officials sympathetic to the alt right. I doubt the insurrectionists would have attempted to take over the capital if they had any expatiation at all they would be gunned down like dogs before they got to the top of the steps if not earlier. Why did they have no fear?

Are you trying to justify an insurrection? As far as the false equivalency you are trying to create, it might be better if you stop cherry picking your "facts." I notice you did not compare the Federal troops and tear gas used on peaceful BLM protestors in DC with the lack of action against the armed occupation of the Michigan Statehouse (which happened early in the summer).

As far as BLM, what is so "revolutionary" about trying to end racism in the police force? You can try to spin this through a right-wing lens, but the fact is more black men die in confrontations with police than other races. You think it is OK to kill an unarmed civilian in broad daylight. Are you saying that a white kid that turns up to a protest with a gun and murders people is perfectly normal? Are you trying to justify all that?

If you think you are going to win any arguments with the "but the other guy does it too" argument, you may want to revisit this. We have serious social problems in this nation. We need to address those problems honestly and stop deflecting because it makes uncomfortable. I deplore violence of any kind. But were is the primary driver?

Democracy was a revolutionary idea. One founding principle of our nation was that of continual improvement with no stated end goal beyond the ideas expressed in our Constitution which are broad and contain the idea of the general welfare of the people.

While not as old as democracy, having social workers in the police force is not a new idea. Neither is civil rights. There is no need to replace our existing government to address the problem facing our Black communities. And nothing about the BLM movement, regardless of rhetoric, is suggesting that. They are asking for their rights under law.

Critical Race Theory is just a new framework to an old problem. You can simply read our Constitution to see slavery was acknowledged in it. Racism has been known and discussed since the founding of our nation (we even had a civil war over it). As far as public policy, critical race theory is one way to frame a problem. There are others. It is not a zero sum game. But since Americans have not acknowledged our racist history, critical race theory gives us one way to discuss it.

One thing is certain, we need to address the inequity in our society, and in all parts of our society, not just in the context of race, if we are going to solve the issues facing us. Right now, each group is just trying to deny the issues facing others. We have an economic system that is exploitive and not letting people build a life. We have a racial system that is preventing other from an equal footing.

Violence (rioting) is just the symptom of a problem. I am not condoning violence, but most people don't go and, for example, try to kidnap a governor of a state because there was nothing new on TV. Unfortunately, we think solutions are a zero sum game--the genesis of All Lives Matter. No, you can help one section of society without diminishing another. We can also address more than one thing at a time.

And if we are going to move forward, we need to end our zealous adherence to political ideologies. We need to get away from the only function of society is individual rights and neoliberal economics and start to regain our collective rights and responsibilities. We need a strong public sector.

Do you think that there might be a difference between people rightfully upset over police violence that has continued to be unaddressed, with even peaceful protests being treated as evil by the president, and people trying trying to directly interfere with the political system because they are acting on incorrect information that there was an illegitimate election which has been pushed the earlier mentioned president that lost said election?

Not to mention the differences that the police treated the two events. There are reports of police getting selfies with the rioters. Most reports of the BLM protests getting out of control was because of outside forces like the police.

Many cops are sympathetic to far-right causes, whether or not it was an inside job they just don't seem as eager to violently put down a crowd they sympathize with.

Back on twitter before the election, some of the Trump lovers were saying it would be bad if Biden win. Could that have been a doggy whistle for, "We will storm the US Capital and make a big mess in it and there will be so many of us, the police wouldn't be able to stop us."

People are calling this riot "white privilege" because there has not been any police brutality, police have not attacked any of them when they were not doing any riots and were just standing there chanting. No tear gas has been shot out nor any rubber bullets.

I knew things would be bad if either president win and I knew there will be more riots. I looked at the BLM protests and policed brutality on the protesters and it becoming unpeaceful because of the police officers attacking them. Then the Proud Boys joined and start attacking them too and start terrorizing people. I even saw a video online posted by someone who got tail gated and read ended by one of them and the Portland Police did nothing. Yes the Portland police here have been known to be racist. My husband knows this too because he grew up in a black neighborhood so he saw black kids getting harassed by them. When you grow up in a area where the majority are black or even half, you will know what racism looks like because you will grow up seeing it. Then we started getting Trump parades and they would disrupt traffic because of so many of them causing a back up on the road. They would wave their confiderate and Trump flags around on their pick up trucks. Now they were milling around at voter ballet boxes to intimate voters and harass them from their car, even honk at them.

Yes I saw this getting worse. I knew it would be even worse when Trump loses but still be bad when Trump wins. More protests would break out from the BLM and more protests would form and there would be more brutality because Trump lovers would be attacking them as well and it would be very bad, then the left would be painted as violent and no one would bat an eye about the right being violent.

Trump is a dictator and a traitor and this is why he keeps being compared to Hitler and his minions being compared to Nazis. He wants to rule our country. His minions want to rule our country so they are trying. I think it will get worse because there will be fights to help defend the US capital and the congress. This is already being compared to War of 1812.

In Americas 200 year history we have never had a civil war, we never trampled on people's rights, we never put people in concentration camps without due process, we have never terrorized communities with violence, or enslaved a single human being. And we certainly have not had a sitting president incite violence to attempt to overturn a democratic election.

Well, we can dream can't we...

Democracy is a fragile system. Ignorance and hate are the enemies.