How I came to hate Israel

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I'm no nazi. Of course I do not like Hitler or nazis - as you all probably know from my previous posts in the past years.

I actually hate nazis. But as much as I despise nazis, I hate (some) jews as well.

Because of the Apartheid regime in Israel. Israel annex foreign territory (in Palestine). The make settlements. They annex. They just take some land that is not theirs to take. And then they make different classes of peoples - like saying the palestinians are of "lesser peoples" than "Israelis".

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I don't live there. I couldn't care less. But I'm not selfish. I despise peoples and nations that think they somehow got a "right" to persecute other (innocent) people. (Some) jews are like that - just look at Israel!

That's how I came to hate (Some) jews. Please tell me not all Jews like Israel. I do not hate those jews who despise of Israel and have contempt for that apartheid-regime!

Those jews who dislike the way the state of Israel acts and it's apartheid-like regime, are not subject to my hatred - of course.

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Arguably - those policies- could be a reason to "hate" the state of Israel.

But they arent really a reason to "hate Jews".

Only a minority of Jews live in Israel. And even those Jews who do live in Israel are not monolithic about ...anything...including supporting their government's policies.

Thank you. I've edited the thread title.

That said, I also hate (Some) Christians and (Some) Atheists who support the state of Israel.
Like I also hate (Some) Muslims for supporting the state of Iran (or Saudi Arabia etc.).

For example, I hate The Republican Party and its members for supporting such attrocities that happens in the middle east.

I do not want the state of Israel to be wiped off the Earth. It's too important for The West. I'd rather they behaved more properly and civic, and the U.S. and EU forced Israel to become more... civic.

We (in the West) always lay claim on human rights, and criticize other peoples and nations for not having our standards.

Maybe our governments should start taking a look on their own foreign policy?

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That is a more balanced opinion.

Personally, I think people should judge a person on their own merits, regardless as to what nationality, skin colour, religion or creed (apart from creeds/religions that are based on prejudice or criminal intent).

Or perhaps try not to judge anyone, but instead reserve your judging to judge yourself,
and use your judgement to guide yourself in life.

Maybe you could run for public office instead of trying to drive this country from the back seat.

I personally feel that it is ludicrous that two nations that base their existence on worshipping God, have spent their entire time warring with each other and committing sin after sin in the name of God.

I understand the theosophical dilemma with regards to why people from different monotheistic religions can not join together to create a multi-faith, as they are simply are incompatible due to their strong faiths.

However, for holy people (from both nations), you would have thought that they would have the reserve and wisdom to be able to work together and share the land, including the land to build the temple of Jerusalem, which would satisfy all parties. Have two temples instead of one.

Whenever I read posts like this, I remember what Steven Weinberg once said...

I don't agree with that quote.

Good people always do good. Never evil. They will always think for themselves, and do the right thing with the best intentions in mind for the person subject to their deed.

What I mean by that is: Good people will never inflict harm (intentionally).

Your fine.

Most people aren't a Jesus or a Jesusette, so even good people will fall off the wagon from time to time.

Well...it can seem like none of the contenders in the Middle East are sympathic players. They are not like the black hats, and white hats in a classic western, but like the characters in the Game/Thrones.

The three main powers are Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Israel.

The Saudi Kingdom is only slightly less detestable than North Korea.

Oddly enough both of the other two, Iran and Israel, I find reasons to sympathize with. But also reasons to detest.

Israel is a democratic Western type country similar to our own society- so its easy for us to like. But it oppresses the Palestinians. Its whole existence is based upon the notion that it was good idea for the European powers to rob Peter (the Arabs) to pay Paul(European Jewry) to rescue Paul from...persecution by European Gentiles. Surprise! Surprise! Peter and Paul have been fighting each other ever since over the land Britain took from Peter to make a home for Paul!

Iran almost became a democracy but its revolution got hijacked by the Mullahs, so despite having the machinery of democracy in place (elections, and both an executive and legislative branch of government) it became just as backward and oppressive as the Saudi Kingdom. And its also become more and more adventurous militarily- forcing the Saudies to cling to the US even more than they always have, and now (under the table) to ally with Israel.

The Saudies and Iran are now locked into a regional cold war, similar to the old global soviet-american Cold War. A cold war that is now hot in Yemen, and in Syria, causing great suffering to the people in those two countries.

Well, research and history would not agree with you. There have been ton of examples, both from experiments and historical events, that "good" people can do horrific things. The psychologist Milgram show people will be very willing to inflict pain to other simply because an authority figure orders them to. In policy studies you are introduced to the Rational Agent Model, which basically states that people a rational actors. You spend the rest of the time learning that is not true.

There is a difference between hating people and hating ideas. The solution to problems is very different depending on where you think the problem resides: people or ideas.

To the OP, you're not alone.

See this:

Poll: Israel among the world's least popular countries
Only Iran, North Korea and Pakistan are viewed more negatively in BBC survey, despite a 2% rise in positive opinion on Israel.
Jerusalem Post, MARCH 7, 2011 09:13
https://www.jpost.com/International/Pol ... -countries

Personally, I'm surprised Israel wasn't even further down the list.

Israel is more of a racial state than a religious one.

Exhibit 1:
Russian-speakers who want to make aliya could need DNA test
Prime Minister’s Office says would-be immigrants from former Soviet Union may be asked to prove Jewish bloodline
Times of Israel, 29 July 2013
https://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-s ... -dna-test/

Note that the Prime Minister's Office doesn't seem to care about would-be immigrants' religious faith!

Exhibit 2:
Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent
The Independent, Sunday 27 January 2013
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 68800.html

Note that the fact that these Ethiopian Jews presumably practiced Judaism didn't spare them.

Exhibit 3:
52% of Israeli Jews agree: African migrants are ‘a cancer’
Times of Israel, 7 June 2012
https://www.timesofisrael.com/most-isra ... -a-cancer/

The thread has been re-opened.

I'd like to make a statement:

This thread is about Israel's illegal settlements, illegal annexation and discrimination of the original people who live in the annexed territories.

This thread is in no way intended to be an attack on religious people in general - no matter which religion.

Please refrain from any religious discussion in this thread, as religion has nothing to do with the Israel-Palestine situation/conflict. It's only politics.

There are Jews who support/don't support Israel, like there are Muslims who support/don't support Iran, as there are Christians who support/don't support the U.S. People are different. Israelites are different as are Palestinians, or Americans/other people. We're not all alike.

Keep it civil, keep it on-topic. And please, present arguments for your positions.

Thank you.