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25 Jan 2021, 9:17 pm

More than 100 Civil Rights Groups Agree: We Don't Need New Domestic Terrorism Laws

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In a letter dated Tuesday, 135 civil rights organizations—ranging from religious groups, immigration advocates, and LGBT organizations to the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People—expressed their concerns about calls to pass new criminal laws in the wake of the riot and temporary invasion of the U.S. Capitol by Trump supporters:

The Justice Department (DOJ), including the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), has over 50 terrorism-related statutes it can use to investigate and prosecute criminal conduct, including white supremacist violence, as well as dozens of other federal statutes relating to hate crimes, organized crime, and violent crimes. The failure to confront and hold accountable white nationalist violence is not a question of not having appropriate tools to employ, but a failure to use those on hand. To date, DOJ has simply decided as a matter of policy and practice not to prioritize white nationalist crimes.

The letter is necessary because Biden and his administration came into the White House already planning to focus on domestic terrorism, and one possibility the transition team was mulling over is the Confronting Threats of Domestic Terrorism Act, H.R. 4192, which was introduced in 2019 by Rep. Adam Schiff (D–Calif.).

The act establishes new offenses whenever somebody commits a violent crime "with the intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a government." The law covers crimes such as kidnapping, murder, and assault with a dangerous weapon, as well as property damage that "creates a substantial risk of serious bodily injury to any other person."

The signatories on the letter know exactly where this kind of legislating leads. We literally just said goodbye to a president who ordered the Department of Justice to use every federal law it could against antifa protesters. The letter observes:

These bills and others with similar provisions are the wrong approach because, as we have seen, they will continue to be used as vehicles to target black and brown communities as they have done since their inception. The federal government has no shortage of counterterrorism powers, and these powers have been and will be again used to unjustly target black and brown communities, including Muslim, Arab, Middle Eastern, and South Asian communities, as well as those engaged in First Amendment-protected activities. The creation of a new federal domestic terrorism crime ignores this reality and would not address the scourge of white nationalism in this country.

The letter writers are not without congressional allies. Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D–Mich.) sent a lengthy letter of her own to congressional leaders, co-signed by nine other Democrats in the House (including New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez), warning that the federal government's national security powers should not be expanded. Tlaib writes in part:

While many may find comfort in the increased national security powers in the wake of this attack, we must emphasize that we have been here before and we have seen where that road leads. Our history is littered with examples of initiatives sold as being necessary to fight extremism that quickly devolve into tools used for the mass violation of the human and civil rights of the American people…



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25 Jan 2021, 9:28 pm

the domestic terrorists who tried to force fascism on all of us, ruined more than they know.



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25 Jan 2021, 9:52 pm

Just label them "Patriot Act 2"


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25 Jan 2021, 9:57 pm

the violent ones ruin it for the rest of us.



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25 Jan 2021, 10:21 pm

auntblabby wrote:
the violent ones ruin it for the rest of us.


That's kinda wrong in this case, though. What they did already was illegal. And tthe intelligence agency already has the powers for total online surveillance, thanks to the patriot act.
So, there's no need for new laws.

It's therefore not the violent people ruinjng it, it's the democratic party.


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25 Jan 2021, 11:14 pm

not half as bad as the GOP have already wrecked things for the 99%.



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26 Jan 2021, 12:54 am

Governments take advantage of a situation to skrew down civil rights.
We have the same problem in Australia. 8)



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26 Jan 2021, 12:56 am

shlaifu wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
the violent ones ruin it for the rest of us.


That's kinda wrong in this case, though. What they did already was illegal. And tthe intelligence agency already has the powers for total online surveillance, thanks to the patriot act.
So, there's no need for new laws.

It's therefore not the violent people ruinjng it, it's the democratic party.


The hell you say! 8O



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26 Jan 2021, 1:28 am

Well, the right was quite supportive of using the military to quell that series of BLM protests in the summer. Assuming they're not hypocrites, they should be perfectly ok with the military dealing with any violent uprisings they may instigate. 8) Also, terrorists are terrorists and should be treated as such. Just saying.



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26 Jan 2021, 1:31 am

but we all know whose side they're on.



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26 Jan 2021, 5:09 am

Tross wrote:
Well, the right was quite supportive of using the military to quell that series of BLM protests in the summer. Assuming they're not hypocrites, they should be perfectly ok with the military dealing with any violent uprisings they may instigate. 8) Also, terrorists are terrorists and should be treated as such. Just saying.

The argument against new legislation seems to be coming predominantly from the left, and basically follows the same logic. Whatever legislation Democrats pass to go after terrorists will be available for future administrations to go after their opponents.



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26 Jan 2021, 7:54 am

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The letter is necessary because Biden and his administration came into the White House already planning to focus on domestic terrorism, and one possibility the transition team was mulling over is the Confronting Threats of Domestic Terrorism Act, H.R. 4192, which was introduced in 2019 by Rep. Adam Schiff (D–Calif.).


Found this, https://www.aclu.org/letter/aclu-statem ... rorism-act

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ACLU Statement Opposing H.R. 4192, Confronting the Threat of Domestic Terrorism Act

In this letter to the U.S. House Judiciary Committee, the ACLU urged Members to oppose H.R. 4192, Confronting the Threat of Domestic Terrorism Act. By reifying and broadening domestic terrorism authorities, H.R. 4192 would unnecessarily expand law enforcement authorities to target and discriminate against the very communities Congress is seeking to protect. The additional crimes, criminal penalties, and expansion of the death penalty in H.R. 4192 would further incorporate abusive terrorism authorities into a discriminatory criminal justice system.

People of color and other marginalized communities have long been targeted under domestic terrorism authorities for unfair and discriminatory surveillance, investigations, and prosecutions. Law enforcement agencies' use of these authorities undermines and has violated equal protection, due process, and First Amendment rights.

Download Letter


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26 Jan 2021, 7:57 am

That bit in the ACLU statement,

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... and expansion of the death penalty in H.R. 4192


makes the following kind of interesting,
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... dates.html
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Opposing capital punishment was once seen as a dangerous position in politics. Recently, it has become the consensus stance of the Democratic Party. Every candidate except for Gov. Steve Bullock of Montana said they oppose it. Joseph R. Biden Jr., the former vice president who championed the death penalty as a senator, declined to be interviewed.


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26 Jan 2021, 11:01 am

More invasion of privacy, more expansion of the surveillance state.

Watch as some on the left who decried the Patriot Act under Bush cheer new anti-terrorist measures because it supposedly only targets the right. Such naïvete...


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26 Jan 2021, 11:50 am

what are we to do then, to prevent another fascist coup attempt?



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26 Jan 2021, 2:14 pm

auntblabby wrote:
what are we to do then, to prevent another fascist coup attempt?

Other than beat them to it with a succesful something-else coup, I don't know right now.
Wait, that would only change who the fascist would be making a coup attempt against.
Oh well, so much for that bright idea.


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