Forrest Landry's Immanent Metaphysics

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Most of my Life; i was Uncomfortable Being in
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SEKKY ATHIEST WROTE - "What do you think is fair to expect when you go to a religious site and argue against their beliefs? "

SEKKY ATHIEST WROTE - "It might've convinced some the same way you seek to understand the Bible turning words in whatever way just so you can defend what it says while no one can truly say what those metaphors should mean. Who decides it?"

Sorry for including you in the above quote, aghogday. Don't know what happened. I can't edit it anymore.

Could you please define what you mean by the word - GOD - when you use it? It saves any misunderstandings.. or possible confusion.. arising between us.. by first being clear.. concerning semantics..

FOR EXAMPLE.. DO YOU MEAN... A personification of the power.. or force.. that seems to regulate the physical universe. The force that is responsible for physical life and that is sometimes spoken of as a person. It ranges in scale from the subatomic to the cosmic. The sum total of ALL things.. in time and space.. and beyond. The power.. force.. principle.. etc. that seems to regulate the physical universe.. often personified as a creative and controlling force... affecting the world and humans.. etc..?

If so..... What makes you believe such a FORCE.. does not exist.. ?

OR.. do you mean.. the New Testament concept.. that.. GOD IS WITHIN YOU.. ?

"You are more than you think you are. There are dimensions of your being and a potential for realization and consciousness that are not included in your concept of yourself. Your life is much deeper and broader than you conceive it to be here. What you are living is but a fractional inkling of what is really within you, what gives you life, breadth, and depth." - Joseph Campbell


Have you ever considered.. that atheism could be based on false assumptions.. ?

For a start - It is a false assumption to believe the bible should be taken literally.. It is a false assumption to believe - God - means.. a man in the sky.. or a supernatural being.. and.. that should be obvious.. and don't you agree..?

False assumptions should be challenged.. otherwise.. Atheists.. along with the literal Christians.. are misleading people into believing things.. that simply are not true.. FOR EXAMPLE - It is a false assumption to confuse symbolic language with the supernatural.. and a false assumption to confuse metaphors with miracle stories.. while poetry gets confused with prose.. When someone studies the Bible they are studying people who possess highly advanced linguistic skills.. and intellects to match.. They were word smiths.. masters of ambiguity.. poet philosophers.. heavy weight intellectuals.. who used their language skills to undermine the existing system.. organized religion.. government.. and judges. The Bible says.. they were deceivers.. yet truthful.. and they were busy hacking into our system.. in order to take control of it.. from beyond the grave..... AND THEY SUCCEEDED.

"No! Insolent people of a stammering tongue, you will see a people TOO DEEP IN LANGUAGE to listen to.” .. said Isaiah...... and that's true.. The language skills they possessed.. go really deep.. and are expressed in the most beautiful poetry.

The Bible clearly says.. the Old testament was made obsolete by the New Testament.. which is perfectly logical.. because the OT contains many errors. However.. atheism.. and many Christians.. seem to be blissfully unaware of this FACT.. and hark on about the OT.. as it if were still relevant today.. when it isn't.

Personally.. I would have left the OT of Moses out of the Bible altogether.. and begin from the Book of Job.. ( or maybe add the Dead Sea Scrolls.. would be even better) ..since this is where the preparations for the New Testament.. and the realisation that a new messiah is needed.. begin. In the Psalms.. David says.. Moses spoke rashly.. while Jesus said.. "Moses did not give you the bread from heaven.. whereas I do".. so.. that was the end of Moses and the Old testament god concept... AMEN

SEE - Hebrews 7:18 + 8:13 + Hebrews 7:18 + 8:13 + 2Corinthians 3.12 + Romans 13:8.. for evidence..




It is perfectly normal.. and fair.. for people to disagree with each other.. isn't it.. I am delighted when someone disagrees with me.. which is why I tend to post on atheists sites a lot.. I LOVE OPPOSITION.. My default position is always the same.. I MIGHT BE MISTAKEN.. so.. I argue to test the strength of what I am saying.. it is a method used both in science.. and philosophy to keep thinkers on their toes....

"Jesus argued concerning the religious beliefs in his time.. Teaching organized religion was a waste of time.. because it was only about money and power.. AND THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION.. WAS BASED ON A GENUINE BELIEF IN.. THE SPIRIT OF.. Loving kindness.. Righteousness.. Justice.. Peace.. Wisdom.. Truth and Freedom.

The seven core human values.. that lay at the heart of any authentic religion.. AND EITHER EXIST.. OR DON'T EXIST.. IN HUMAN HEARTS AND MINDS.. and this is the God concept of the New Testament..

May I ask you.. do you believe in... Loving kindness.. Righteousness.. Justice.. Peace.. Wisdom.. Truth and Freedom.. Do you believe these seven core human values could create a better world to live it..?
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“If you send forth your Spirit, they are Created; And you make the face of the Earth new.” - "Here I am bringing up for her a recuperation and health.. and I will heal them and reveal to them an abundance of Peace and Truth."

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If you do.. then you believe in the New testament God concept.. it really is that simple...

This is an example of the Bible giving organized religion.. and its priests.. a good kicking.. for their lack of belief in these core human values.. and cursing their stupidity.. for believing in the supernatural..

"What shall I do to you, when the LOVING KINDNESS of you people is like the morning clouds and like the dew that early goes away? That is why I shall have to hew them by the prophets; I shall have to KILL THEM BY THE SAYINGS OF MY MOUTH. And the JUDGMENTS apon you will be as the light that goes forth.

For in LOVING KINDNESS I have taken delight, and NOT in solemn assembly; and in the KNOWLEDGE of God rather than in your use of a SUPERNATURAL POWER. But they themselves, like earthling man, have overstepped the covenant. There is where they have dealt treacherously with me. And as in the lying in wait for a man, the association of PRIESTS ARE MARAUDING BANDS."

"For into a poisonous plant you people have turned JUSTICE, and the fruitage of RIGHTEOUSNESS into wormwood, YOU WHO ARE REJOICING IN A THING THAT IS NOT." - Hosea 6:4

So.. when an atheist says.. "what the bible says.. is not true"... it is a false assumption.. they are making.. The prophet attacked organised religion.. just like the atheists do.. but they did it so much better.

“I have hated, I have rejected your festivals, and I shall not enjoy the smell of your solemn assemblies, even in your gift offerings I shall find no pleasure. Remove from me the turmoil of your songs; and the melodious sound of your stringed instruments may I not hear. And let JUSTICE roll forth just like waters, and RIGHTEOUSNESS like a constantly flowing torrent.” - Amos 5:21 & 6:12






The writers of the Bible do.. of course... the book is self-explanatory.. All I need to do is search for the passages that explain what the true meaning really is.. and have an excellent memory..

FOR EXAMPLE.... atheist believe the miracle stories should be understood literally.. which is a false assumption.. where I understand them as being metaphor.. symbolism.. and allegory.. which is the truth.

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JESUS WALKING ON WATER.. AND SILENCING THE WIND AND WAVES…A MIRACLE… OR ALLEGORY ?

When the Bible says.. “HE REBUKED THE WINDS AND THE SEA, AND A CALM SET IN”.. what does this really mean?
Are we intended to understand it literally.. as a miracle.. or as SYMBOLISM and ALLEGORY ?

“He is stilling the noise of the seas, The noise of their waves and the turmoil of the national groups. He causes the windstorm to stand at a calm, So that the waves of the sea keep quiet.” – “The national groups themselves will make a din just like the noise of many waters. And He will certainly REBUKE IT….”

ALLEGORY – As a literary device, an allegory is a metaphor in which a character, place or event is used to deliver a broader message about real-world issues and occurrences. Allegory (in the sense of the practice and use of allegorical devices and works) has occurred widely throughout history in all forms of art, largely because it can readily illustrate or convey complex ideas and concepts in ways that are comprehensible or striking to its viewers, readers, or listeners. Writers or speakers typically use allegories as literary devices or as rhetorical devices that convey (semi-)hidden or complex meanings through symbolic figures, actions, imagery, or events, which together create the moral, spiritual, or political meaning the author wishes to convey.”

"Then, getting up, HE REBUKED THE WINDS AND THE SEA, AND A CALM SET IN. So the men became amazed and said: “What sort of person is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him?” – Matthew 8:23

AND.. THE INTERPRETATION FOR WIND & WAVES.. IS…

“The national groups themselves will make a din just like the noise of many waters. And He will certainly REBUKE IT, and it must flee far away and be chased like the chaff of the mountains before a wind and like a thistle whirl before a storm wind. But the wicked are like the sea that is being tossed, when it is unable to calm down, the waters of which keep tossing up seaweed and mire.”

I REST MY CASE...
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"To be sure, the texts still seemed to me blatant nonsense, but here and there would be passages that seemed significant to me, and occasionally I even found a few sentences which I thought I could understand. “Finally I realized that the alchemists were talking in symbols.

“Why this is fantastic,” I thought. “I simply must learn to decipher all this.”

By now I was completely fascinated, and buried myself in the texts as often as I had the time.”


Extract from “Memories, Dreams and Reflections” by Carl Jung.

"i Didn't Need Any Words Before 4 When i Could Not Speak Looking Across"

"Mind is Born More of Numbers the place i excelled the Most in Systemizing Ways"

I was slow at learning to talk too.. I remember my father telling me.. all the other kids can talk so well.. so what is wrong with you..? As if it were my fault that I couldn't talk very well.. but then I didn't have much social contact as a child.. because we were always moving from place to place.. making friends was not easy.. and we can't learn to talk.. unless we have someone to talk to.

I enjoyed 'A Beautiful Mind' ..I feel that way about many of the great thinkers.. especially the writers of the Bible.. whose powerful intellects.. and their way with words.. left me in awe. A mind that has been well used in life.. possesses a certain beauty.. that lifts us up on the shoulders of giants.. and shows us things we have never even imagined..

Men.. human animals.. but with the minds of gods.. I enjoyed - The Imitation Game - too.. where Alan Turing is portrayed as an aspie.. that no one can get along with.. I'd like to watch it again.. it is a great film.

The more I read about the universe we live in.. the more it fascinates me.. It is far stranger than I ever imagined in my youth.. and however science probes into it.. it will never have all the answers.. and that.. to me.. PROVES that something.. so much greater than us.. exists.. so science PROVES GOD.. because there will always be something.. that lies beyond our understanding.. and is inaccessible to our knowledge.. The INFINITE.. ETERNITY.. AND.. We represent this understanding.. that science has provided us with.. with a symbol.. or metaphor.. G O D

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"Physics tries to discover the pattern of events which controls the phenomena we observe. But we can never know what this pattern means or how it originates; and even if some superior intelligence were to tell us, we should find the explanation unintelligible."

"The human race, whose intelligence dates back only a single tick of the astronomical clock, could hardly hope to understand so soon what it all means." - James Jean
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I was impressed by the work of Kurt Godel.. that I discovered recently.. He looked around.. in his time.. and noticed how his fellow scientists all seem to believe that.. one day they would have all the answers.. and have a complete understanding of the universe. So.. Godel went to work.. and using mathematics.. far beyond my understanding.. somehow managed to prove they were all wrong.. and that our knowledge could never be completed.. That gave birth to.. Godel's Incompleteness Theorem.. Einstein once said.. There was no one he would rather be in the company of than Kurt Godel.. and for sure.. Godel had such a beautiful mind.. and was deeply spiritual in his thinking.. if science could have its saints.. Godel would be one.

TO QUOTE - "IN 1931, THE Austrian logician Kurt Gödel pulled off arguably one of the most stunning intellectual achievements in history. His incompleteness theorems meant there can be no mathematical theory of everything, no unification of what’s provable and what’s true. What mathematicians can prove depends on their starting assumptions, not on any fundamental ground truth from which all answers spring."

AND ..WOW.. THAT WAS A REAL ACHIEVEMENT!! !

According to my understanding.. (but.. I could be mistaken).. Godel proved that there are things that are true.. but which can never be proved.. like my Primary Field Theory.. and I have doubts that the multiverse can ever be proved too.. However.. I feel sure it exists... because nature never does things in ONES. IF THERE IS ONE UNIVERSE.. THEN SURELY.. THERE MUST BE MORE... and whether there is a multiverse.. or not.. determines whether my Primary Field Theory.. sinks or swims.. ONE UNIVERSE.. IN AN INFINITE FIELD.. WOULD BE VERY UNLIKELY.. EVEN WEIRD..

I like your term.. 'This Field of Dreams'.. some of my dreams.. after meditating.. are the most beautiful places I have ever visited.. This Field of Dreams is a place I love to go..

I remember.. One night.. while dreaming.. coming through some dark woods.. I walked on until I arrived at a clearing. In the centre of the clearing their was a deep pool of water.. with a huge.. and very old tree growing out from the center of it..... There was no island of land there.. just the solitary giant tree.. rising grandly out of the water.

I walked down to the side of the pool.. and looked down into the deep crystal clear water. Below I could make out the vast roots of this ancient tree.. descending into the depths. As I was gazing into the still water.. I felt overcome by a sense of peace.. and was moved so much by the beauty of what I saw.. it gave me a sensation of something magical...... something, hard to put into words.

That dream is where I got the idea for my avatar picture from - The Tree of Life.. Definitely a Jungian archetype.. Some years later.. I discovered the very same image in the Bible.. representing a new and better system on earth.. after Jesus had cut the existing tree down.. because it bore no fruit.... that's a beautiful way to put it.. I thought.. Jesus said..

"Master, leave it also this year, until I dig around it and throw manure. And if it produces fruit in the future— otherwise indeed, cut it down’”. - "Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.” - Luke 13:8 & 3:9

I had many such dreams during the time I was engaging in lengthy sessions of meditation.. in the homeless hostel in London.. They lit up the darkness in my mind at night.. while I was sleeping.. and left me with memories.. I shall never forget.. Much more important than the experiences I have had in this material world.. The landscapes of the night.. are even better than romance..




I am totally useless at maths.. My only school education was in classes for special needs children.. fortunately.. once I had left school I started reading a lot of books and taught myself everything I wanted to know..

Fractals interest me.. and make me wonder if the universe has an infinite depth.. Things getting smaller and smaller.. being never.ending.. I once created a music video using fractals.. to celebrate one of my all time favorite British musicians - Gary Clail - I managed to get him as a friend on FACEBOOK.. and I was delighted to find he now features my creation on his FACEBOOK page.. His music is incredible.. completely original.. It is also very Biblical.. and religious.. in the true sense of the word.. I often listen to it when I am meditating.. it lifts me up.. into a COSMIC BLISS..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBn-DlRsiv4

"The 10 commandments can't be written in coded language otherwise it beats the purpose and it obviously isn't. It's stories about Earth, slavery, women being thralls, many motives from long ago from the times where that was the only truth known. "

"The book isn't universal neither does it have any good human values. God speaks of some good things but goes against them, besides the fact that many of his thinking patterns are inherently of an abuser and wrong."

"Don't forget some Atheists were pastors, scientists, can't pretend like they haven't ever seen something you believe to 'shake' their beliefs. Not to mention the debaters. Not unless you sustain the believers were all too weak up to the point you appeared to actually make any valid belief changing points for atheists."

I didn't say they were written in coded language through did I..? Maybe you could explain something that really puzzles me.. I do not understand why atheists keep talking about the Old Testament of Moses.. when the Bible makes it perfectly clear the OT is done away.. Have you actually ever read the Bible.. ?

“Moreover, if the code which administers death and which was engraved in letters in stones came about in a glory, a glory that was to be done away with..” - "In his saying "a new covenant" He has made the former one OBSOLETE and growing old is near to vanishing away."

Yes.. I know some christian talk about it.. but they have probably never read the Bible either.. instead.. they get in bed with the teachings of men.. who only see things literally.. and who are often only interested in gaining power and wealth.. to them.. truth doesn't matter. As Alan Watts once said.. "Prostitution is the oldest occupation.. while organised religion is the oldest con-trick.."

The OT belongs with the Jewish religion.. along with the Jewish God concept.. (man in the sky) and it has nothing to do with the New Testament.. apart from its historical connection. If you wish to debate the Jewish beliefs.. you need to debate with a Jewish scholar.. not me.. I am not in the least bit interested in Jewish traditions.. I skip the OT when I study the Bible.. because I know it has no relevance.. So.. lets discuss the New Testament.. and the NT God concept.. in future.. shall we..?




I disagree.. Loving kindness, Righteousness, Justice, Peace, Wisdom, Truth and Freedom.. and the golden rule of treating each other as we would wish to be treated ourselves.. are very good human values.. and universal too.. aren't they.. ?

What values do athiests have.. that are better..?




A "valid belief changing points for atheists." .. would be to prove.. beyond a reasonable doubt.. the OT was made obsolete.. by the New.. wouldn't it..? Doesn't that shake you belief.. ? It is a complete waste of time to discuss the OT.. because IT IS DONE AWAY WITH BY CHRIST.. SO WHY ARE ATHEISTS CONTINUALLY TALKING ABOUT the OT.. THIS STRANGE BEHAVIOUR DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME..

Have they never read what the New Testament says.. I'm wondering..?

MAY I ASK.. HAVE YOU READ THE NT.. ?

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"Certainly, then, there occurs a setting aside of the proceeding commandment on account of its weakness and ineffectiveness.” - ”For if the first covenant had been faultless. No place would have been sought for a second." - "But their mental powers were dulled. For to this present day the same veil remains uplifted at the reading of the old covenant, because it is DONE AWAY WITH by means of Christ. In fact, down till today whenever Moses is read, a veil lies upon their hearts." - “For if the code administering condemnation was glorious, much more does the administering of righteousness abound with glory.”

The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."
Hebrews 7:18 + 8:13 + 2Corinthians 3.12 + Romans 13:8

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So shouldn't atheists be cracking open a bottle of Champaign and rejoicing that the hated Old Testament of Moses was made obsolete over 2000 years ago.. and use this evidence based argument against the literal christians.. who still mistakenly preach it? ....AND THERE-BY ARE MIS-LEADING PEOPLE.. It was a big mistake the church made.. to include it in the Bible books.. it shouldn't be there.. see - The Age of Reason - by Thomas Paine.. to see how the church butchered the Bible.. and left many good books out.. that were far better than the OT.. to read.. The Book of Wisdom.. for example..

Anyway.. THIS WILL MAKE YOU LAUGH.. Below is a humorous view of why it was necessary to make the covenant of Moses obsolete.. and it is a very good argument..

http://www.apocatastasis.net/GoldenRule ... Laura.html

AND.. THIS IS THE NEW TESTAMENT VIEW OF GOD.. GOD IS INSIDE.. AND YOU.. YOURSELF ARE GOD.. YOU ARE A CREATOR..

“Once more the Jews lifted up stones to stone him. Jesus replied to them: "I displayed to you many fine works from the Father. For which of those works are you stoning me?"

The Jews answered him: "We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy, even because you, although being a man, make yourself a god."

Jesus answered them : "Is it not written in your Law, `I said: "You are gods"'? – I John 10:31

Jesus was quoting Psalms 82:5 in his defence that God and mankind were – potentially – one and the same..….

AND............ Psalms 82:5 clearly says....

“They have not known, and they do not understand; In darkness they keep walking about; All the foundations of the earth are made to totter. I myself have said, 'You are gods, And ALL of you are sons of the Most High.” - Psalms 82:5

“Every church is a stone.. On the grave of a god-man: It does not want him to rise up again.. under any circumstances.” - Friedrich Nietzsche


William Blake Meets Thomas Paine - Encounters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mCXOdO2AI

William Blake And His Wife 'Kate' in the Garden of Eden

God is inside and feeling God is no proof of God existing. You feel it because you want him to be real.
Please bring real proof.