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09 Feb 2021, 8:53 pm

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Politicians, prominent intellectuals, and academics in France have voiced concern that 'out-of-control leftism and cancel culture' from the United States is threatening French identity.

They are arguing that American ideas on race, gender, post-colonialism – especially those coming from U.S. universities – are undermining French society and are an attack on French heritage.

The collection of intellectuals arguing that France is being contaminated by the leftism of America was buoyed on last year after French President Emmanuel Macron appeared to side with them.

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9242453/Out-control-woke-leftism-cancel-culture-threat-FRANCE-French-politicians-say.html

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09 Feb 2021, 8:59 pm

More tabloid nonsense. Since when has Socialism of any kind ever been a "threat" to France?

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09 Feb 2021, 9:11 pm

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'Out-of-control woke leftism and cancel culture' from the U.S is a threat to FRANCE because it 'attacks' the nation's heritage and identity, French politicians and intellectuals say

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... s-say.html

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Cancel culture (or call-out culture) is a modern form of ostracism in which someone is thrust out of social or professional circles - either online on social media, in the real world, or both. Those who are subject to this ostracism are said to be "canceled."[1] Merriam-Webster notes that to cancel, as used in this context, means "to stop giving support to that person"[2] while Dictionary.com, in its pop-culture dictionary, defines cancel culture as "withdrawing support for (canceling) public figures and companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive."[3] The expression "cancel culture" has mostly negative connotations and is commonly used in debates on free speech and censorship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_culture

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09 Feb 2021, 9:26 pm

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More tabloid nonsense. Since when has Socialism of any kind ever been a "threat" to France?

Good point. France does have a higher percentage of state employed people than Venezuela ever had.
But I don't think this is about the economic left, or the royalists vs. the revolutionaries.

I could imagine that anti-sexist movements and anti-racist movements may well be problematic for a lot of conservatives in certain cultures, particularly those which take pride in their deeply ingrained gender stereotypes and a teeny tiny bit of a colonial history.

That said, the dailymail is not a news source, but basically printed Facebook.

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09 Feb 2021, 9:27 pm

A load of gobbledygook. France is the spiritual birthplace of socialism. The French revolution saw for the first time the common people take back power from a spoilt, wealthy entitled elite.

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09 Feb 2021, 11:12 pm

An Ingsoc intellectual dystopia where individuality is suppressed and freedom of speech, and even freedom of thought, is censored by an Oligarchical Collectivist ruling party who control a brain dead hive-minded society?

I'll pass.
But be my guest.

Viv la comedic creativity.

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10 Feb 2021, 12:43 am

hmmm....would love to see evidence of how that moderate left social conciousness/equality impairs intellectual freedom

Sounds really dodgy

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10 Feb 2021, 1:30 am

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Cancel culture means risky comedy is dead: ‘fact’, says Ricky Gervais

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Nearly two decades after The Office and Brent first appeared on television, Ricky Gervais has said that the program he created would struggle to get made today because online “outrage mobs” have made broadcasters too afraid to take risks.

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The comedian, 59, has always argued that audiences were laughing at Brent, not with him, but now fears that this nuance would be lost on some modern viewers who fail to understand any sense of irony.

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“Now it would suffer because people would take things literally. There are these outrage mobs who take things out of context,” he said.

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“Some people now don’t care about the argument or the issue, they just want to own someone, they want to win the argument.

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This week 150 leading authors and thinkers signed a letter condemning “cancel culture” for stifling freedom of expression

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/ ... 2fdcaf6e02

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10 Feb 2021, 1:42 am

Unfortunately I can't read the article because of the Ad-blocker I'm using.

The story is from the Daily Mail, one of Britain's more right-wing papers. They supported the Nazis prior to WW2, for example. Famously successful for "giving people their daily dose of hate".

Does the tabloid article state what, if anything, links this group of academic spokespeople together? Membership of any particular club, society, group, party, think-tank etc. etc.?

I suspect there's a strong partisan slant to this, that the Mail will be reluctant to highlight.

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10 Feb 2021, 2:24 am

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Talk to Ricky Gervaise about the end-game of 'Cancel-Culture', which is running amok.

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10 Feb 2021, 3:43 am

"X" and "Y" seem to leading the charge against cancel culture. "X" because they worry they will be cancelled for being perceived as offensive. "Y" because they know what they say is offensive.,

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10 Feb 2021, 3:54 am

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Comedians and right wingers seem to leading the charge against cancel culture. Comedians because they worry they will be cancelled for being perceived as offensive. Right wingers because they know what they say is offensive.,

I don't vote conservative.
I do like freedom of expression and freedom of thought.
I do like being creative.
Cancer Cancel culture is creating an intellectual dysphoria/dystopia.
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10 Feb 2021, 4:00 am

Pepe wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

"X" and "Y" seem to leading the charge against cancel culture. "X" because they worry they will be cancelled for being perceived as offensive. "Y" because they know what they say is offensive.,

Most artists, writers, poets and scholars (the most creative people on the planet) are by their very nature progressive and open minded. They are the antithesis of right wing conservatism,

The idea that "French intellectuals" are bemoaning cancel culture sounds really suspect to me.,

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10 Feb 2021, 5:21 am

cyberdad wrote:

Pepe wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

"X" and "Y" seem to leading the charge against cancel culture. "X" because they worry they will be cancelled for being perceived as offensive. "Y" because they know what they say is offensive.,

Most artists, writers, poets and scholars (the most creative people on the planet) are by their very nature progressive and open minded. They are the antithesis of right wing conservatism,

In the modern-day 'cancel culture', they wouldn't survive.
Many progressives of today have lost their way, sitting in dark bedrooms, patrolling the internet, thinking of ways to increase their virtue-signalling capital by finding new ways of restricting personal freedoms.

Censoring.
Spreading hate.
Collectively working on formulae to distort people's intentions.
Deliberately misrepresenting.
Conniving behind an individual's back.
Destroying personal relationships.
Bullying, isolating and cancelling.

Interesting company you keep.

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10 Feb 2021, 6:16 am

Heh, "cancel culture"... Back in my day we just called it "consequences". It was related to a thing called "responsibility". You're not supposed to like it. if you did, it wouldn't be a consequence, would it?

Quite a list of assumptions Pepe has going there.
Too bad saying things doesn't make them true
Though it does demonstrate his enjoyment of comedic creativity.

Also who knew that America had such laser precise social control, to be able to target exclusively France, and no other nation, from across the atlantic. Must be those jewish space lasers. Better buy stock in aluminium foil before all the Lizard People eat enough babies to go super socialist saiyan and force everyone to become tri-gendered decasexual pan-sapio-mantic clone armies or whatever :roll:

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10 Feb 2021, 6:46 am

So wait, am I still alowed to not watch "The Office" because I think it's crap?

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