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25 Mar 2021, 10:09 pm

There's too much evidence from autopsy reports that George Floyd most likely died from a drug overdose. Which I hate to admit to because Chauvin is a nasty dirty racist with a history of police abuse who should be locked up behind bars, and the way he kneeled on George Floyd was brutal and inhumane, but if we're only going off of the facts of the case and the history of police convictions then as much as the George Floyd case seemed like the quintessential example of a bad cop about to get his just desserts, now it seems like Chauvin may be added to the list of acquitted cops.

Which actually sucks. This entire situation is tricky due to the fact that Chauvin's inhumanity makes him the most evil out of all the bad cops so far, but because of the confounding nature of a drug overdose being responsible for George Floyd's death Chauvin really may get off the hook.


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26 Mar 2021, 2:45 am

salad wrote:
There's too much evidence from autopsy reports that George Floyd most likely died from a drug overdose. Which I hate to admit to because Chauvin is a nasty dirty racist with a history of police abuse who should be locked up behind bars, and the way he kneeled on George Floyd was brutal and inhumane, but if we're only going off of the facts of the case and the history of police convictions then as much as the George Floyd case seemed like the quintessential example of a bad cop about to get his just desserts, now it seems like Chauvin may be added to the list of acquitted cops.

Which actually sucks. This entire situation is tricky due to the fact that Chauvin's inhumanity makes him the most evil out of all the bad cops so far, but because of the confounding nature of a drug overdose being responsible for George Floyd's death Chauvin really may get off the hook.


In Texas, they would have thrown him a parade.


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26 Mar 2021, 2:52 am

Both Chauvin and Floyd are bad individuals. Chauvin is racist and Floyd has criminal history.



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26 Mar 2021, 3:27 am

Chauvin was doing what he was trained to do.

Minneapolis police department manual allows "compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 274334002/


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26 Mar 2021, 4:04 am

reckon there will be riots if he is found not guilty?



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26 Mar 2021, 4:09 am

Biscuitman wrote:
reckon there will be riots if he is found not guilty?


I hope so.


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26 Mar 2021, 4:15 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
reckon there will be riots if he is found not guilty?


I hope so.


I hope not. I used to go to grad school in Minneapolis. One of my daydreams has always been to go there because of nostalgy. I hate the thought that it will never be the same because half of the town was destroyed. I just hope they don’t destroy the places within walking distance of university. But maybe they already did in the summer. Still, I want to preserve whatever little of my memories that is still left.



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26 Mar 2021, 6:36 am

Biscuitman wrote:
reckon there will be riots if he is found not guilty?

Riots on steroids.
And where there are not riots there will be civil disobedience that will shut things down to a greater degree that the most severe lockdowns.


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26 Mar 2021, 9:08 am

TheRobotLives wrote:
Chauvin was doing what he was trained to do...
... and he was "only following orders" too.

"Befehl ist Befehl." (literally, "An order is an order.") -- the Nuremburg Defense


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26 Mar 2021, 10:40 am

Fnord wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Chauvin was doing what he was trained to do...
... and he was "only following orders" too.

"Befehl ist Befehl." (literally, "An order is an order.") -- the Nuremburg Defense


The only issue with your quip Fnord is that following orders that are immoral only indicts the perpetrator on moral grounds, but can't do so on legal grounds within a domestic jurisdiction.

The Nuremberg trials were a foreign invading force imposing international justice on actions that can't be justified by orders given by a vanquished power. Had the same regime that gave the orders prosecuted the Nazis for war crimes that resulted from said orders, that would be more equivalent.

Not saying this to absolve Chauvin BTW. I still consider Chauvin a dirty scumbag, however even if he was the worst scumbag on earth convicting him for following training he was given is an entirely different matter than assaying his otherwise impeachable moral failings


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26 Mar 2021, 12:32 pm

One dirty scumbag is like any other, in that they all are deserving only of lifetime prison terms.


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27 Mar 2021, 1:04 am

please let anonymous at him and his enablers.