Pretending to hate aesthetics...

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I'm a leftist.

I don't think the PM's Mrs should be spending £840 a roll of wallpaper when it's out of expenses.

BUT...

Most of the flat looks lovely.

People on twitter are lying and saying it's tacky.

I don't know if they're genuinely saying that and have bad taste or if they're only saying it because 1 it's her/him and 2 the circumstances of how she got it.

The same thing happens in America when it comes to the Trumps. I don't like the Trumps but their houses look great, aesthetically.

It's annoying me cos my house is almost as lavish - although for not nearly the cost.

I heard them saying how expensive the paper was and was duly horrified but wasn't watching. Wish I'd seen it now. It could just be the people who do like it haven't mentioned it. Most things I like would probably get called tacky by a lot of people

They were having trouble getting people into 3 bedroom council houses near us because of the bedroom tax so they were offering a decorating voucher as an incentive to move in. Needless to say, the voucher wouldn't have covered the cost of one roll of that wallpaper!

I think it’s a question of where the money is coming from and whether it needs to be spent. In the case of politicians, it’s often taxpayers. Trump does have a distinctive personality that grates on some people’s nerves, but I think what really puts a bad taste in people’s mouths regarding Trump is along with a brash public persona, he has earned his wealth independently. He does what he wants because he has earned the freedom to, and I think that fact drives a lot of envy towards him. Trump can spend lavishly on himself because he created his own wealth. With politicians and royalty, you are a servant of the public.

There are two ways aesthetically to view this. On the one hand, a representative chosen by the people is a reflection of the people, and those people quite often lack the wealth creation talent that someone like Trump has. So if your money comes from taxes, those taxes should go towards the benefit of the people, not lining one’s palace with expensive wallpaper.

On the other hand, displays of wealth paid for through taxes are representative of the value of the people one represents. A president or PM represents the ENTIRE nation, so his or her dwelling should be a reflection of national strength and pride. Trump’s displays of wealth represent his values as an individual. A pol’s displays represent the values of his constituents or nation, and same goes for royalty.

Louis IV maintained that he himself WAS the state, hence his display of wealth reflected his values of himself first and the glory of France second with himself as the embodiment in one person of an entire nation. It’s a shame his successors couldn’t command the same national pride, but such is the way of inherited power.

If somebody wants to spend 800 some-odd pounds on wallpaper---be my guest!

LOL......I feel like Trump's decorations are examples of nouveau riche excess.

I think the main problem with it is whether he paid for it himself or if there was something dodgy about it.

Does anyone have an image of this "hideous" wallpaper?  I keep running up against demands to allow cookies.

Now I get it....what a Dunce I am LOL

He might have gotten the wallpaper through taxpaper money.....not good!

Same flat, same money, same scandal...

What I think looks awful:
https://twitter.com/ArtoutlawsUK/status ... 05/photo/1

Never heard of accents? The sofa basically falls into the identical wallpaper in this picture...

What I think looks good:
https://twitter.com/dasvee/status/13873 ... 12/photo/1

What I also think looks awful:
The furniture on the website that she bought the stuff from. Looks like spending £400+ per piece of IKEA furniture!

I understand the scandal but what scares me is... I can afford to spend my disability benefit wisely & get not lavish in terms of price but, maximalist, highly patterned & deep coloured, stuff. That's technically tax payer money. I'm scared of being judged cos I don't want beige carpet & IKEA furniture - essentially because I don't have a 9-5 I feel like I have to 'know my place'

What also looks bad:
Slagging John Lewis. John Lewis does similar decent looking stuff to this but at a fraction of the cost. Besides, it is very much 'middle class' and slagging things associated with the middle class as 'common' looks bad when trying to appeal to working class/middle class voters. Most people think John Lewis + M&S = posh.

I'm sure there's people who hate the look of something based on who it's associated with.

That said, I'm sure there's other people where the who doesn't matter and it really is aesthetics.

Like for example I don't like chrome, I don't like billet, and I don't like gold plating.

Start plating stuff all shiny and odds are I won't like it, even if it were Bernie Sanders' house.

Other way round for me. The stripey carpet and disappearing sofa are quite cool (although a bit too red for me) but the other one is a bit too fancy!

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See that's the thing - if it was Bernie or Corbyn I'd be thinking 'there goes the man of the people image'...

But I never bought into that for Boris.

I think the true judge of aesthetics is: what would you yourself get if you won the lottery?

Because that takes all the 'I earned it so I can't waste it' out of it and apart from 'I'd give it all to charity' or 'I'm in medical/student debt' kind of invites a bit of frivolity. And it's yourself so unless you're like me and suffering with social anxiety, you're less likely to judge based on 'that changes how I see that person I previously thought was good'.

For public figures, I like the idea of the Pope living in a flat rather than a Vatican Palace but... given a choice between a palace and a flat? I'd go palace... at least until it comes to cleaning up

I'd go flat.

Like when you showed the this is what I like vs this what I don't I found them both to be similar in that they both way too busy for my tastes. I have really minimalist aesthetic tastes, like say:

With guitars I don't like chrome or gold bits, I mostly prefer solid colours instead of see-thru finishes that show off the wood grain, I don't like inlays or binding, I don't like pointy/obnoxious 'metal' guitars... basically I prefer something really plain and simple.

With cars I like removing badges and repainting chrome bits with flat black or gun metal or body colour. I don't mind over-the-top stuff when it looks functional (aero bits, fender flares/wide body kits, etc) but I don't like cars that look like they belong at car shows, I like cars that look like they belong next to a race track. I don't mind when when something is obnoxious and overdone so long as it's form following function or at least an imitation of form following function.

With home decor I like things to be simple. Bauhaus aesthetics appeal to me, functionalism is appealing, even brutalism is a style I can appreciate. Ornamentation that doesn't serve a functional purpose generally doesn't appeal to me.

Making things more ornate doesn't really appeal to me, regardless of funds or how it might impact consumption of other resources.

See I'm the opposite.

But I don't like some maximalist stuff either because they just seem to be collecting styles & throwing it at each other. Which I'm scared of doing for eg in my 'food and plant' themed kitchen: I want to collect some vintage ads for the walls but not sure they go with my Renaissance paintings & William Morris blind/table cloth or if they drag the tone 'down' too much.

I grew up in a house of just white walls, beige carpets and IKEA.

When I left it both me and mum seemed to veer away from that... for me it was never a choice so I think she got inspired lol.

My favourite city is Florence but the city I live in isn't that bad either. It's very 'dark academia' style.

I have a 'theme' for every room and like dark colours, patterns and antiques. To me, I can see the tones best with my light coloured glasses on. I'm too light sensitive for a lot of lights though - although all my main ones are 'dressed' and door knobs are all different.

With my dark glasses on I'm just like I was at 12 which I think is how non-light sensitive people view the world.

Why I'm into it so much atm is that I'm going to spend the next 3 years doing it.

The first one looks kinda ugly to me, but I can imagine getting used to it as an acquired taste, once I got used to all the visual noise and started filtering it out (would probably take a while).

The second one just looks goddamn awful to me though.