Racial Bias and Support For Foreign Conflict
I think in last weeks thinking about war has changed in the West.
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Yes. The already silly topic has been rendered totally obsolete in the last month. Our biggest adversary (biggest since WW2) is now a White country (Russia).
But even before Ukraine the thread was silly.
The survey doesnt even conclude what OP says it does. The survey shows that the minority of American Whites who have racists attitudes towards other Americans also tend to wanna bomb other countries ( and since the only countries that America had issues with at the time of the survey had brown skinned populations brown was the only choice then- either bomb brown folks, or dont bomb any one). The survey did not show that ALL American Whites somehow (consciously or not) pick and choose, and decide that "we should go to war with country A because its people are brown, but not with country B because its people are White".
The only way you scientifically test the theory is to eliminate all variables, and construct two "test countries". A brown skinned Iraq, and a White Iraq say. And then have the US have the exact same foreign policy issues with the two Iraqs. And then see how many voters want to go to war with the White Iraq and how many with the brown skinned Iraq- to see if there is a difference in the amount of aggression White voters are eager for to see if there is a racial bias.
The US gets into scraps with other countries for such hugely different reasons that there are too many variables to test.
We bombed more White countries in Europe in the Nineties, than we did brown skinned countries at that time. And ironically we did so in order to stop White people from committing genocide against other White people (former Yugoslavia in the Nineties). So ...does that mean that during the Nineties Americans were racist against White people? Or does it mean that we were racist in favor of White people?
Does invading Afganistan in the 2000s mean we were racist against brown people? Or does it just mean that we were angry that 9-11 was launched from that country? And when Biden suddenly pulled us out of Afganistan last year- did that mean we suddenly loved Brown people? Or that we hated brown folks enough to abandon them? Or does it mean that we are just sick of being in a quagmire?
If say Finland were to host a terrorist who did a 9-11 on the US would American voters be less angry at Finland because its a White country than they were at Afganistan? Since no European country has done anything like that to us recently we dont have a test case to compare to Afganistan.
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Some of the same people perceive the following as threats:
• Different Language.
• Different Lifestyles.
• Different Opinions.
• Different Politics.
• Different Religion.
• Different Skin Color.
• Free Speech.
• Free Thinking.
• Greater Education.
• Greater Fame.
• Greater Intelligence.
And some of those same people are white.
They are xenophobic. Dont like immigrants. And foreigners, both the kind the move here, and the kind that stay in their own country , are a great scapegoat for our country's problems.
They are xenophobic. Dont like immigrants. And foreigners, both the kind the move here, and the kind that stay in their own country , are a great scapegoat for our country's problems.
I was thinking about a more neutral possible common cause mechanism:
Being generally conflict-driven makes one both more likely to support wars (even if the person does not understand anything of the conflict where it occurs) and, in the context of USA, to embrace racism.
A less neutral possible common cause:
A bully would like to send troops to rule others (USA wars are always elsewhere...) and to abuse minorities.
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Russians and Ukrainians share ancestry, main religion, they partially share language... what they don't share is attitude towards the concept of rebuilding Russian Empire.
One doesn't have to be racist to be evil.
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That's right.....
During the medieval period, there was almost always no "racial" cause for all the wars of conquest and plunder which occurred then.
Race wasn't behind all the crazy punishments (e.g., the rack, drawing and quartering, running on the wheel) which occurred, especially, in Europe around the time of the transition between the Medieval and the Modern.
And don't forget that religion, not race, was behind all the crazy wars and witch burnings which occurred during the Reformation and a century or so afterwards.
Or another line of thought, look at attitudes towards war victims of different races/cultures/religions.
Search engine keyword: "Ukraine double standards".
There are many results, and I picked a few at random.
The Ukrainian Refugee Crisis’ Double Standard
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Take Hungary, for example, whose right-wing government has developed a reputation for firmly shutting its doors to those fleeing conflict in recent years. Only two months ago, Prime Minister Viktor Orbán claimed Hungary would not change its strict new immigration policies, despite a ruling from the European Union’s highest court that found the country in direct defiance of the bloc’s refugee and asylum laws. “We aren’t going to let anyone in,” Orbán stated. Recently, however, he said Ukrainians could expect to find a “friendly place” awaiting them in Hungary.
The reasons for this double standard, not surprisingly, seem to boil down to a mix of racism, Islamophobia, and xenophobia. Anthropologists and others have long pointed to the structural inequities in how human rights law is applied to migrants, refugees, and asylum-seekers. Decisions are heavily mediated by race and nationality, in addition to other factors such as religion, gender, and age. In short: The international legal system too often allows discrimination and exclusion rather than ensuring unbiased protection to those in need of refuge.
Bulgarian Prime Minister Kiril Petkov was one of the first public figures to explicitly differentiate between those fleeing Ukraine and those fleeing other countries. “These people are Europeans,” he said. “These people are intelligent, they are educated people. … This is not the refugee wave we have been used to, people we were not sure about their identity, people with unclear pasts, who could have been even terrorists.”
Ukraine exposes Europe’s double standards for refugees
The painful contrast exposes the double standards in the EU’s approach to refugees. With Europe’s grim history of restrictive asylum policies, it is wishful thinking that the warm welcome to Ukrainians will extend to all asylum-seekers. The EU solidarity to displaced Ukrainians illustrates the deeply politicized – and often discriminatory – nature of providing refugee protection.
I am not saying that Ukrainian refugees do not deserve sympathy and help.
But for those countries whose territory is not threatened by Russia, is the more drastic reaction to the incident because of the "shocking" identity of the victims? This instead explains why Russia has come under greater fire.
Certain wars are easier to start if certain victims are less valued. I guess this doesn't require building a "spherical chicken in a vacuum" model to prove it. Just like you don't need to clone a person to prove "smoking is bad for your health".
A fairer way to compare is:
Statistical level of support for the six conflicts of "white/possibly considered white/absolutely not white" versus "white/possibly considered white/absolutely not white".
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Last edited by SkinnedWolf on 28 Apr 2022, 12:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.
But for those countries whose territory is not threatened by Russia, is the more drastic reaction to the incident because of the "shocking" identity of the victims? This instead explains why Russia has come under greater fire.
Most conflicts nowadays are messy fights between different dictators, militias and terrorist groups.
This is a clear-cut invasion on a souvereign state. Additionally, a democratic one.
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Most conflicts nowadays are messy fights between different dictators, militias and terrorist groups.
This is a clear-cut invasion on a souvereign state. Additionally, a democratic one.
Iraqi sovereignty was clearly invaded.
"Democratic" or not can also be attributed to the degree of similarity of cultures.
I also think this is a commonality of human beings.
It is then self-evident that all the "less understood" victims receive less support.
And "understanding" is obviously more likely to occur between similar races/cultures/religions.
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