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27 Jun 2021, 2:14 am

But why do they always send the poor like System of a Down Says? Why Do They Always Send The Poor!????

does anyone know the real answer?


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27 Jun 2021, 9:33 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
But why do they always send the poor like System of a Down Says? Why Do They Always Send The Poor!????

does anyone know the real answer?

Lyrics?


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27 Jun 2021, 9:40 am

Do you mean send them to war?

Because the poor lack opportunities due to not being able to afford education. A lot of manufacturing industries have closed. Mines have closed. So what choice do young men from impoverished backgrounds have? The army. It will have them and it will pay them.



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27 Jun 2021, 9:52 am

"B.Y.O.B."

Why do they always send the poor?

Barbarisms by Barbaras
With pointed heels
Victorious, victories kneel
For brand new spankin' deals
Marching forward hypocritic
And hypnotic computers

You depend on our protection
Yet you feed us lies from the table cloth

La, la la, la la, la la, la la

Everybody's going to the party, have a real good time
Dancing in the desert, blowing up the sunshine

Kneeling roses disappearing
Into Moses' dry mouth
Breaking into Fort Knox
Stealing our intentions
Hangars sitting dripped in oil
Crying, "Freedom!"

Handed to obsoletion
Still you feed us lies from the table cloth

La, la la, la la, la la, la la

Everybody's going to the party, have a real good time
Dancing in the desert, blowing up the sunshine

Everybody's going to the party, have a real good time
Dancing in the desert, blowing up the sunshine

Blast off. It's party time
And we don't live in a Fascist nation
Blast off. It's party time
And where the f**k are you?
Where the f**k are you?
Where the f**k are you?

Why don't presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why don't presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?

Kneeling roses disappearing
Into Moses' dry mouth
Breaking into Fort Knox
Stealing our intentions
Hangars sitting dripped in oil
Crying, "Freedom!"

Handed to obsoletion
Still you feed us lies from the tablecloth

La, la la, la la, la la, la la

Everybody's going to the party, have a real good time
Dancing in the desert, blowing up the sunshine

Everybody's going to the party, have a real good time
Dancing in the desert, blowing up the sun

Where the f**k are you?
Where the f**k are you?
Why don't presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why don't presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?

Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
They always send the poor
They always send the poor

This track was written in protest against the Iraq War, like their earlier song "Boom!".
The music video pictures soldiers and the band members wearing masks with television screens which show words "die", "truth", "obey", "buy" or "god".



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27 Jun 2021, 9:57 am

@Shadow1888 Thanks! Just what I was asking for!

BTW I wonder if the OP has gotten the message that Millennials are no longer thought of as edgy.


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27 Jun 2021, 11:03 am

I'd suggest reading up on the USA's past with the draft & the modern idea of voluntary service. It's actually interesting & makes me wish I still had grandpa (191x-200x) around to ask questions about his experiences with it around WWII.

Good starting point: Conscription in the United States From Wikipedia



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27 Jun 2021, 11:44 am

Its been stated in many different ways: the rich man dances the dance while the poor man pays the band



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27 Jun 2021, 12:02 pm

Because if you're not a senator's son, then you're not a fortunate one.

Seriously, though, this has been a recurring feature in many countries with both professional and conscript armies, and those who are born with a silver spoon in handDonald Trump have found quite a lot of ingenious ways of avoiding military service, even with a draft in place. In some countries it has been perfectly legal in the past to pay someone to serve in the military in lieu of a millionaire's son.

There are also some hard truths involved; it takes a lot less skill and time needed to train a soldier than to train an engineer or a doctor, and since the former have much shorter life expectancies than the latter, it makes sense for a country to choose the more easily replaceable manpowercannon fodder.

There is a good historical example of this: One of the main reasons why bows fell out of use with the invention of the crossbows wasn't that bows were inferior weapons. Medieval bows could shoot much faster, as crossbows with the same draw strength often couldn't be drawn by hand.

It was because archers had to be trained and conditioned from childhood to be efficient in battle.

As for crossbowmen: The one with the crossbow shoots, the one without follows him. When the one with the crossbow gets killed, the one who is following picks up the crossbow and shoots.



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27 Jun 2021, 12:27 pm

The poor are the most vulnerable.
If you maintain inequality and desperation, and minimize social security, then people will seize on any chance to make a steady income.
The government will gladly pay for you to kill and die overseas to protect business interests.
Poverty provides a steady supply of desperate people to be paid to fight the elites' wars. Poverty benefits the rich because desperate workers will demand less dignity and respect.


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28 Jun 2021, 8:17 pm

because if the rich were to suffer from war, too, then no one would gain from it.
there'd be no reason to have a war in the first place, and then what??


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30 Jun 2021, 1:14 pm

"Politicians hide themselves away,
They only started the wars.
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that all to the poor."


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30 Jun 2021, 3:38 pm

MaxE wrote:
@Shadow1888 Thanks! Just what I was asking for!

BTW I wonder if the OP has gotten the message that Millennials are no longer thought of as edgy.


Oh, well that's a relief.


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30 Jun 2021, 3:40 pm

Blue_Star wrote:
I'd suggest reading up on the USA's past with the draft & the modern idea of voluntary service. It's actually interesting & makes me wish I still had grandpa (191x-200x) around to ask questions about his experiences with it around WWII.

Good starting point: Conscription in the United States From Wikipedia


At least these days there is not a draft, granted there are probably still people who join because they feel it is the best opportunity they have and don't see many other choices of what to do.

Also though not the same as having someone around to ask about it, but you could probably find books on experiences of people who fought in those wars. I have certainly read about that kind of stuff before.


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01 Jul 2021, 11:34 am

The poor are enlisted while the rich are officers.


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06 Jul 2021, 3:39 pm

Glad the question got clarified. I had no clue what it was from the first post.

I remember asking why so many young working-class men were joining the armed forces in an English town. The reply was "because there's nothing else to do." Meaning no other jobs. Must be that, because it can't take much brain or education to figure out that you might get shot at. The UK gov hasn't dared to bring back conscription yet, and they're so short of volunteers that they go into the schools to try to brainwash the kids.