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05 Sep 2021, 2:03 am

I've visited the US a few times and my parents have friends all over the states.

My own experience are with Californians and Hawaiians (so probably not representative) but actually lifestyles in both states are equivalent to Australia. San Diego reminded me a lot of Western Australia. My parent's American friends here are polite friendly folk.

I don't know what its like to live in rural or regional US but TV might not be a good indicator as you have to live there to know first hand.



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05 Sep 2021, 12:57 pm

Think somedays alotta people can be dissatisfied with their Country or Governments decisions .
But when i walk out my door the sky is still Blue . And i live in the USA .


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05 Sep 2021, 4:52 pm

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An off-topic diversion discussing the recent troll has been removed.

Please, don't reply to them and don't discuss them.

Doing either is what they set out to trap you into doing - don't give them the oxygen of attention, they don't deserve any of it.


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05 Sep 2021, 7:55 pm

We’ve simply been caught in the Neo-communism of both Canada’s Trudeau and USA’s Biden. The plandemic opened the gates for crooked politicians to completely change the rule book. Meanwhile, most neurotypical are being brainwashed against their will, while displaying highly performant defense mechanism when told to stop looking at numbers and to start looking around and seeing what is really going on. Anyway, I’m guessing that mostly, it is important to not confront other’s beliefs and to let people free to think and act the way they are destined to. No government control, no mind control.



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05 Sep 2021, 8:25 pm

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We’ve simply been caught in the Neo-communism of both Canada’s Trudeau and USA’s Biden. The plandemic opened the gates for crooked politicians to completely change the rule book. Meanwhile, most neurotypical are being brainwashed against their will, while displaying highly performant defense mechanism when told to stop looking at numbers and to start looking around and seeing what is really going on. Anyway, I’m guessing that mostly, it is important to not confront other’s beliefs and to let people free to think and act the way they are destined to. No government control, no mind control.

This is way off-topic in addition to belligerent and confrontational.


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05 Sep 2021, 9:30 pm

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Normally, my views are more to the center, but the past few days, I’ve been in a big “own the cons” mood.


I hadn't noticed.


After the events of 6 Jan 2021, it is in my best interest to be an autistic recluse.

I don’t want to “own” anybody.

To quote Greta Garbo, “I want to be left alone.”



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05 Sep 2021, 9:40 pm

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We’ve simply been caught in the Neo-communism of both Canada’s Trudeau and USA’s Biden. The plandemic opened the gates for crooked politicians to completely change the rule book. Meanwhile, most neurotypical are being brainwashed against their will, while displaying highly performant defense mechanism when told to stop looking at numbers and to start looking around and seeing what is really going on. Anyway, I’m guessing that mostly, it is important to not confront other’s beliefs and to let people free to think and act the way they are destined to. No government control, no mind control.



They're much closer to neo-liberals. :?


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05 Sep 2021, 10:15 pm

MuddRM wrote:
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Normally, my views are more to the center, but the past few days, I’ve been in a big “own the cons” mood.


I hadn't noticed.


After the events of 6 Jan 2021, it is in my best interest to be an autistic recluse.

I don’t want to “own” anybody.

To quote Greta Garbo, “I want to be left alone.”


I'm starting to feel that way too. I think I'm better off ignoring both sides and their BS. Right now I have enough bad things in my life that are driving me crazy.


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06 Sep 2021, 3:50 pm

I feel like it kind of sucks to live anywhere in the world right now. Where in the world are they allowing people to live TRULY free, without the government imposing on their God given and natural rights? That is a serious question.


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06 Sep 2021, 6:33 pm

You know something? After watching Jewish comedian Bill Maher I think he's absolutely right. There are people out there in the world who are living under true oppression who are probably looking at Americans like we've completely lost our minds right now.

We're not North Korea or Afghanistan or Nigeria and we need to stop acting like we are because it makes us look like a bunch of egocentric pricks.


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06 Sep 2021, 7:21 pm

And it's not that I'm defending the mess that our government is slowly turning into thanks to decades of incompetent leadership and one wildcard who tried (and mostly failed) to turn our country upside down.

But here are some things I would like to point about this country whenever people (including myself) start bitching about how irredeemably racist, sexist, homophobic, and evil America is.

We aren't currently committing mass genocide on people based on their race, ethnicity, or religion.

We arent forcing women to get circumcised, marrying little girls off to old men, or banning women from getting an education or a career.

We don't beat and humiliate homosexual men with canning before a jeering crowd or torture, rape, and execute them.

We arent being starved to death while our children are forced to work on dangerous conditions like slaves. Many Americans gets food stamps and other forms of assistance from the government.

And we arent facing a violent military coup or a true war on our own soil.

And most of all we dont silence criticism of our government. Instead we do nothing but complain about our country and talk about wanting to move away when there are still refugees who are coming here because things really are so much worst in their countries.

So I guess what I'm finally realizing is that while America is not and has never been a perfect Utopia of 'freedom', we are still a helluva lot better off than the Uighers in China or the women in Afghanistan are right now. Even with the mess Trump created we are still a better country than those places because we DO believe in human rights.

I think maybe we all need to quit viewing the evils of this country through the lens of the internet and get to know the average American for ourselves instead of being so quick to condemn an entire country for sins that every single country in the world has been guilty of in one form or another.

That's all I want to say.


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07 Sep 2021, 11:41 am

:thumright: What he said!


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07 Sep 2021, 12:56 pm

No matter how bad you think you have it, there is someone out there in the world that would gladly trade places.


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07 Sep 2021, 1:06 pm

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I wonder if I could stow away on a boat and move to the islands?

Which islands? Most I can think of would lock you up as soon as they caught you. As an American, you might have a chance in Cuba, they'd lock you up but maybe if you could make a convincing case that you're a political refugee, in particular if you could become an international cause célèbre, you might get permission to remain there long-term. No idea how much better your life would be after that.

This reminds me of the old Andy Griffith show. A character named Howard decided he wanted to quit and go live on some island in the Caribbean. Apparently he was able to, but after a few weeks he found he had nothing to do with himself in his island paradise and returned to exciting Mayberry NC.


Speaking of Cuba, I'd rather not move to a country that locks homosexuals up in concentration camps to be raped, beaten, and killed. Like Fidel Castro did when he was still alive.

Sorry, ain't happening.

I don't advise you to move to Cuba but I'm not certain what you said about them jibes with the article I linked to here, although you may have information that sheds doubt on the credibility of this Reuters article from May:

Havana dons giant rainbow flags in key year for Cuban LGBT+ rights


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07 Sep 2021, 1:55 pm

MaxE wrote:
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I wonder if I could stow away on a boat and move to the islands?

Which islands? Most I can think of would lock you up as soon as they caught you. As an American, you might have a chance in Cuba, they'd lock you up but maybe if you could make a convincing case that you're a political refugee, in particular if you could become an international cause célèbre, you might get permission to remain there long-term. No idea how much better your life would be after that.

This reminds me of the old Andy Griffith show. A character named Howard decided he wanted to quit and go live on some island in the Caribbean. Apparently he was able to, but after a few weeks he found he had nothing to do with himself in his island paradise and returned to exciting Mayberry NC.


Speaking of Cuba, I'd rather not move to a country that locks homosexuals up in concentration camps to be raped, beaten, and killed. Like Fidel Castro did when he was still alive.

Sorry, ain't happening.

I don't advise you to move to Cuba but I'm not certain what you said about them jibes with the article I linked to here, although you may have information that sheds doubt on the credibility of this Reuters article from May:

Havana dons giant rainbow flags in key year for Cuban LGBT+ rights


I was referring to Cuba's treatment of homosexuals under Fidel Castro while he was still alive. The laws may have changed recently but what Fidel did was disgustingly cruel AND he was admired by some of the same leftists in our country who claim to support LGBTQ rights. So talk about irony! :jester:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fidel-cas ... gay-rights


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07 Sep 2021, 2:09 pm

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Speaking of Cuba, I'd rather not move to a country that locks homosexuals up in concentration camps to be raped, beaten, and killed. Like Fidel Castro did when he was still alive.

Sorry, ain't happening.

I don't advise you to move to Cuba but I'm not certain what you said about them jibes with the article I linked to here, although you may have information that sheds doubt on the credibility of this Reuters article from May:

Havana dons giant rainbow flags in key year for Cuban LGBT+ rights


I was referring to Cuba's treatment of homosexuals under Fidel Castro while he was still alive. The laws may have changed recently but what Fidel did was disgustingly cruel AND he was admired by some of the same leftists in our country who claim to support LGBTQ rights. So talk about irony! :jester:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fidel-cas ... gay-rights


I am inclined to doubt that many self-described Leftists in the US really admire Fidel Castro. It's a tough subject to discuss because Fidel gained a lot of support from various people worldwide because they admired him for thumbing his nose at the US and getting away with it. During the Cold War, there was a lot of anti-US feeling in the West, I think a lot of this was encouraged by educators, many of whom may have even been Communists especially in Italy and France which had large Communist parties. What I mean is, that Fidel (and Che Guevara, think of the Motorcycle Diaries) always had a positive image in those places but it's unlikely the average person there knew very much about their actual careers.

Canada is a special case. For some reason, Pierre Elliott Trudeau (the current PM's father) when he himself was PM, had a bromance with Fidel and sometimes hung out with him in Cuba. So it apparently became sort of a Canadian thing to be sympathetic to the Cuban govt., again most likely without much real knowledge of the situation on the part of the average person.

I guess when I say it's complicated, what I mean is that Fidel is sometimes seen as a person Americans resent because he humiliated us, and therefore we shouldn't accept at fact value everything negative we are told here about his career.

But to repeat, I suspect only a small fraction of self-identified Leftists in the US truly admire him, although some might be impatient with having him used as an example of why we should oppose Socialism (whatever you happen to mean by that term).


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