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07 Nov 2021, 8:36 am

It might not have been a big bang at all.

What if it was more of a...pop?


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07 Nov 2021, 8:42 am

Well that's going to completely ruin the double entendre for the TV show :lol:


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07 Nov 2021, 8:43 am

CarlM wrote:
Well that's going to completely ruin the double entendre for the TV show :lol:


The Small Pop Theory


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07 Nov 2021, 9:27 am

Actually, the Universe started as a tiny stain on a carpet.

And as with all such stains someone tried to clean it, and it just kept getting bigger and bigger.



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07 Nov 2021, 9:32 am

Are we absolutely certain it didn't start with a clank?



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07 Nov 2021, 9:59 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Actually, the Universe started as a tiny stain on a carpet.

And as with all such stains someone tried to clean it, and it just kept getting and bigger.


You are not too far off from my point of view of how the universe started:

Zero dimensionality (all light energy combined at infinite frequency) —> 1-D —> 2-D —> 3-D —> 4-D —> higher dimensions (increasing in entropy each time a new lattice set is added to the reality equation)

There would be no sound to hear in the first conversion process. No “Bang” in the traditional sense. It quickly went into what we know is 4-D time-space.

Black holes would allow for both energy and matter to be converted up the dimensional scale over 4-D upon large swaths of time. It potentially leads to the formation of dark energy and dark matter. We cannot “see” dark matter/energy because it does not belong to our dimensionality.



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07 Nov 2021, 10:11 am

maycontainthunder wrote:
Are we absolutely certain it didn't start with a clank?


No apparently it all began with a silent fart.


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07 Nov 2021, 10:59 am

Than a squeal.


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07 Nov 2021, 11:03 am

Followed by frantic searching for a window to open before realisation dawned, they hadn't been invented yet.



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07 Nov 2021, 11:13 am

The first Dutch Oven.


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07 Nov 2021, 1:29 pm

I think we were all sneezed out by the Great Green Arkleseizure.



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08 Nov 2021, 5:03 am

QuantumChemist wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Actually, the Universe started as a tiny stain on a carpet.

And as with all such stains someone tried to clean it, and it just kept getting and bigger.


You are not too far off from my point of view of how the universe started:

Zero dimensionality (all light energy combined at infinite frequency) —> 1-D —> 2-D —> 3-D —> 4-D —> higher dimensions (increasing in entropy each time a new lattice set is added to the reality equation)

There would be no sound to hear in the first conversion process. No “Bang” in the traditional sense. It quickly went into what we know is 4-D time-space.

Black holes would allow for both energy and matter to be converted up the dimensional scale over 4-D upon large swaths of time. It potentially leads to the formation of dark energy and dark matter. We cannot “see” dark matter/energy because it does not belong to our dimensionality.


Lately I am thinking that our whole universe is actually inside one big black hole.

According to Schwartzchild (funny how a law about black holes was discovered by a guy named "black child") the radius of a black hole gets bigger relative to the mass of the matter the hole is created out of.

Regular stellar black holes, created when a star more massive than the sun dies, are composed of super dense matter. More dense than the material of a neutron star (also the remnants of collapsed big stars neutron stars have the mass of mt. everest in each tea spoon).

But the much bigger super massive black holes that exist at the center of galaxies, with a million times the mass of stellar black holes, are only as dense as regular old matter. They can be dense as water, or even only a dense as an active star.

So...if an entire universe like our own were to collapse onto itself - it, like a dying star, would collapse into a black hole. But its matter would achieve black hole status while still being huge relative to the size of that universe.

Our own universe is 46 billon ly wide. But if it were all squashed into one point it would become a black hole, but a black hole 14 billion ly in radius. All of a third of its normal width.

Interestingly... the AGE of the universe is also reckoned to be 14 billion years.

Coincidence?

So my theory is that the previous (pre big bang) universe collapsed down, but once it shrank down to the Schwartzchild limit where the whole thing became one big black hole. Time stands still at the event horizon (the surface of a black hole. So inside a black hole time must...run back wards. And thats what happened. It caused to time to run backwards in our entire universe.

So for the last 14 billon years time has been running in reverse. So...it looks like the universe is expanding, but its really contracting, but were stuck in seeing it in reverse.



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09 Nov 2021, 8:51 am

naturalplastic wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Actually, the Universe started as a tiny stain on a carpet.

And as with all such stains someone tried to clean it, and it just kept getting and bigger.


You are not too far off from my point of view of how the universe started:

Zero dimensionality (all light energy combined at infinite frequency) —> 1-D —> 2-D —> 3-D —> 4-D —> higher dimensions (increasing in entropy each time a new lattice set is added to the reality equation)

There would be no sound to hear in the first conversion process. No “Bang” in the traditional sense. It quickly went into what we know is 4-D time-space.

Black holes would allow for both energy and matter to be converted up the dimensional scale over 4-D upon large swaths of time. It potentially leads to the formation of dark energy and dark matter. We cannot “see” dark matter/energy because it does not belong to our dimensionality.


Lately I am thinking that our whole universe is actually inside one big black hole.

According to Schwartzchild (funny how a law about black holes was discovered by a guy named "black child") the radius of a black hole gets bigger relative to the mass of the matter the hole is created out of.

Regular stellar black holes, created when a star more massive than the sun dies, are composed of super dense matter. More dense than the material of a neutron star (also the remnants of collapsed big stars neutron stars have the mass of mt. everest in each tea spoon).

But the much bigger super massive black holes that exist at the center of galaxies, with a million times the mass of stellar black holes, are only as dense as regular old matter. They can be dense as water, or even only a dense as an active star.

So...if an entire universe like our own were to collapse onto itself - it, like a dying star, would collapse into a black hole. But its matter would achieve black hole status while still being huge relative to the size of that universe.

Our own universe is 46 billon ly wide. But if it were all squashed into one point it would become a black hole, but a black hole 14 billion ly in radius. All of a third of its normal width.

Interestingly... the AGE of the universe is also reckoned to be 14 billion years.

Coincidence?

So my theory is that the previous (pre big bang) universe collapsed down, but once it shrank down to the Schwartzchild limit where the whole thing became one big black hole. Time stands still at the event horizon (the surface of a black hole. So inside a black hole time must...run back wards. And thats what happened. It caused to time to run backwards in our entire universe.

So for the last 14 billon years time has been running in reverse. So...it looks like the universe is expanding, but its really contracting, but were stuck in seeing it in reverse.


There is a catch to your hypothesis on the universe. When I consider how a black hole forms, it is always paired up with a neutron star. At first stage in development, the black hole is inside the neutron star. The black hole is really the conversion process to create the neutrons for the neutron star. If protons and electrons undergo extreme compression (inside a black hole) under the presence of neutrinos, they can combine into neutrons. Extreme gravity force stabilize the neutrons. Normally “free” neutrons would undergo beta - decay (reverse process) if they were not held together.

As the amount of matter/energy that is absorbed becomes larger, the black hole also becomes larger inside the neutron star. There is a finite point of absorption that the black hole engulfs the surface of the neutron star. At that stage, we can no longer see the neutron star. If my concept of how a black hole develops is correct, where would the corresponding enormous neutron star be located in our universe?



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09 Nov 2021, 9:02 am

All theories aside, it would be nice if we could actually see a neutron star and a black hole in person.

A celestial object might seem like one thing light years away, but turns out to be something else once one gets near the celestial object.



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