The Catholic Church is NOT a force for good

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14 Nov 2023, 6:59 pm



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18 Nov 2023, 3:52 am

agreed on the title, but then Fry, he's been a serious letdown, too
pharmaceutically....
o well, he keeps thinking, maybe, thats good :mrgreen:

Rowan Atkinson's EXCELLENT article on why EV = NO.


Back to romans; Proof Romans Invented Jesus Christ - The Flavian Signature (yt)
Invention of Jesus Christ - Caesar's Messiah Thesis (yt)
more sources of a Julius Ceasar cult
also Christ as orpheus https://www.carotta.de/subseite/texte/a ... kos_en.pdf

lost in ww2, <<<<why is that always ?????? every catastrophe an occasion to change history
Lost treasures: Peking Man's bones. A crate containing some the world's most important hominin fossils vanished amid war in 1941 - Mystery of the Lost Peking Man Fossils Solved? A new investigation of the famous fossils that went missing during World War II suggests that the bones may be buried beneath a parking lot in China, yeah yeah, that seems too convenient
^^since it was found -with grand wizzard teilhard, it could have been fraudulent as well -pilchdown man and teilhard's monkey teeth
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but then you have to read a collegue who met him, shopping for fossile teeth, and not being particularly science minded but religious progressivity promotor, and "father of new age" - (new man idealisation)
i have that (older special interest) on a blog, none of it is findable nowadays, not even that blog, for now
this one i remember https://realphysics.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... ardin.html



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18 Nov 2023, 4:18 am

Everyone loves to hate on Catholics but I find Protestants to be terrible too. Especially Southern Baptists and those Evangelicals who sold their souls to the third antichrist aka Donald Trump for political power.


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19 Nov 2023, 6:27 pm

At least Protestants don't recite 20 "Hail Marys" for every 3 "Our Fathers".

Worshiping, venerating, and praying to Mary is blasphemy, and the RCC is turning into a global "Marianite" cult.

:roll: Anyone who prays to Mary for any reason is not a Christian.



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20 Nov 2023, 2:45 pm

At my local Catholic church:

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21 Nov 2023, 12:37 am

Fnord wrote:
At least Protestants don't recite 20 "Hail Marys" for every 3 "Our Fathers".

Worshiping, venerating, and praying to Mary is blasphemy, and the RCC is turning into a global "Marianite" cult.

:roll: Anyone who prays to Mary for any reason is not a Christian.



Showing more respect for the woman who birthed the Son of God just makes Catholics seem slightly less like the patriarchal chauvanists who would prefer we all lived in The Handmaid's Tale.


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21 Nov 2023, 2:34 am

RedDeathFlower13 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
At least Protestants don't recite 20 "Hail Marys" for every 3 "Our Fathers".  Worshiping, venerating, and praying to Mary is blasphemy, and the RCC is turning into a global "Marianite" cult.  Anyone who prays to Mary for any reason is not a Christian.
Showing more respect for the woman who birthed the Son of God just makes Catholics seem slightly less like the patriarchal chauvinists who would prefer we all lived in The Handmaid's Tale.
There is a big difference between respecting someone and worshiping them.

Mary, the mother of Jesus, is being worshiped, even more so than God the Father.  This goes beyond mere respect, it is a violation of the Third Commandment (Exodus 20:3), "You shall have no other gods before a me."

It also shows complete disrespect for God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit (John 14:6), "Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life.  No one comes to the Father except through me.'"

Mary worship is blasphemy, plain and simple.



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21 Nov 2023, 10:40 am

Abrahamic religion is very phallocentric. I’m bored with penises. Worshiping Mary would be a pleasant change. Worshiping a pagan goddess, such as myself, would be even better.



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21 Nov 2023, 12:23 pm

Fnord wrote:
RedDeathFlower13 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
At least Protestants don't recite 20 "Hail Marys" for every 3 "Our Fathers".  Worshiping, venerating, and praying to Mary is blasphemy, and the RCC is turning into a global "Marianite" cult.  Anyone who prays to Mary for any reason is not a Christian.
Showing more respect for the woman who birthed the Son of God just makes Catholics seem slightly less like the patriarchal chauvinists who would prefer we all lived in The Handmaid's Tale.
There is a big difference between respecting someone and worshiping them.

Mary, the mother of Jesus, is being worshiped, even more so than God the Father.  This goes beyond mere respect, it is a violation of the Third Commandment (Exodus 20:3), "You shall have no other gods before a me."

It also shows complete disrespect for God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit (John 14:6), "Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life.  No one comes to the Father except through me.'"

Mary worship is blasphemy, plain and simple.


So is worshipping money and power aka Mammon, something which all American Christians have been guilty of when they started selling their souls to the Orange Antichrist known as Donald Trump.


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21 Nov 2023, 1:15 pm



Oh Dear Lord!

(Not Unlike Ariana
Grande, i Surely
Believe 'God(dess)

iS A Woman' too)

Merry X-Mas!

What Fun! (Quick! Find Rudolph!)

Religious Denomination,
Sect, Individual View,

Wagging Contests,

'my God and Way

Is Better Than Yours!'

Well Dear FRiEndS, my Bible

Is 15 Times The Size of that

Old King James Version And my

God Doesn't Even Have One Name

Yet It's True, me and You; and Them

And Us; Yes, We And i, And The Rest of Nature
Seen and Unseen

Are Real

If Ya Can
Come UP
With A Bigger
Bible and A Larger God
With No one Name Other Than ALL, Do Pray Tale hehe...

Now as Far as "The Catholic Church is NOT A Force For
Good" Goes, Per Original Topic, Like Most Human Institutions

There is DarK and LiGHT, Harm And Help Associated; And of Course

There is Plenty of Reference, True to All the Harm The Church And Even

The United States as a Country Has Done in the Killing Fields of Innocent Folks too...

Yes of Course that
Applies to All Churches;

Yes of Course That Applies

to Even Joe Namath And His
Football Camp of Child Abuse
Overlooked Yet Revived in the News of Late And New...

The Religion of Football Creates Lots of Brain Injuries

Yet the 'Gladiators'

Still 'War'

in the 'Foot
Ball Stadium Colosseums'

To The Roars of Applause of
The Congregation With Hot Dogs

And Beer For 'Communion...'

Oh Dear Lord The Human
Condition is So Strange,
Weird, And Wonderful;

Not Unlike What

Elton John was

Singing About in

'Bennie and the Jets,'
'Good Bye Yellow Brick Road,'

And 'Funeral For A FRiEnD'...

Dear Lord Yes, BRing on more
Gay Priests and Singers to Save the World....

Without
All The
Abuse
of the Other 'Incel Dudes'
Wearing 'Collars' AS Such...

No Matter if they Come
From the Religion of Church, State,

or the
God's
of Football...

Saying 'The Catholic Church
is NOT a force for good"

Is Surely Throwing

Lots of Babies Out
With All the Dirty BaptiSinG Water too

Like the Rest of the Frigging Human Species... True...

i've Visited Most All The Protestant and Catholic Churches
Along With the Denominations That An Area Assessed once
in the Guinness Book of World Records Held With the Most Christian

Churches

Per Capita in One Locality;

There is the Least Amount of

Hate Spewed Out for People Who

Don't Meet the Mold of Closed Minds in the Catholic

Church in my Locality as Opposed to the Other Ones...

i Could Travel to the Next City Over for a Better Option Yet

i only Go to Sing
A Few Songs

Anyway

Usually
Coming

in 23 Minutes Late

Missing the Homily;

God For Real

As Nature;
Yes, The Rest of
Nature is A Much
More Holier And Sacred Place to me;

Yet It's True, Those Gay Jesuit Priests
Do Come Up With Many Uplifting Songs

Without Hate

for 'The

Other'...

Again that's what
Makes the Catholic
Church Great as it can be

With All Its Negative Aspects

At Least; Yes, People Outcast in Charge More Often

With A bit More Empathy Than 'the Others' Indeed...

Yep, THere is A Lot to Complain about yet i Tend to
Replace the Dirty Water

With LoVE iN

Peace;

meh,
Works for me...

Better Put my Play...

In 'A Day in the Life''

Just Another Day, Any Day,

What i Understand About LoVE iN Peace

Is it Never Requires Worship, Affirmation,

Or Even A Target Audience; It Never
Fears Criticism; There is No

Fear or Even Anxiety;

IT iS Naked

Enough Whole
Complete

Born on
Date
Human
And Truly Humane For Real;

Best Part of tHE ALL i've Ever Done indeed...

Have a Great Day! (And Night) oF LoVE iN Peace
Yet i Surely

Won't Tale

Anyone

They Must
Visit Heaven Now, Hehe...

Sending Folks to Hell is the
Stuff of Human Psychopathic
Generated Nightmare Stories; For Then

'Halloween' is Over; X-Mas is For Now...!

Yet First! Thanks Giving For Giving First!

Roast Tangerine Beast First!

Then With All the Trimmings
Once Again oF LoVE iN Peace..:)



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21 Nov 2023, 1:46 pm

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The Catholic Church is NOT a Force for Good

When was it ever? Wedding the church to temporal power doomed it to decadence from the start of you ask me.
Fnord wrote:
:roll: Anyone who prays to Mary for any reason is not a Christian

Seems like a pretty broad statement. Are Orthodox Christians less Christian for praying to icons of Jesus? What about people who revere the saints? When does veneration stop being veneration and start being worship or idolatry?
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Abrahamic religion is very phallocentric. I’m bored with penises. Worshiping Mary would be a pleasant change. Worshiping a pagan goddess, such as myself, would be even better.

Not sure if this is more reassuring (probably not the right word) or just interesting for you, but many of the practices involved in venerating Mary were adopted from the pre-Christian cult (no, not how we think of modern cults (scams, insane, tyrannical)) of the Egyptian goddess Isis, mother of Horus, wife of Osiris. Isis's cult expanded far beyond Egypt and throughout the Roman Empire, and was an established, popular figure of worship by many Roman pagans. As Christianity spread, converts brought with them already-existing cultural and religious practices and adapted them to Christianity. Thus, imagery and rhetoric used in the worship of Isis became adapted for the holiest woman in Xianity: Mary. Many statues and images of Isis were straight-up redesigned to represent Mary. This is not dissimilar to how the veneration of Christian saints has been heavily influenced by pagan worship (eg: in Latin America) of minor deities and ancestral paragons.
Disclaimer that people debate the extent to which Isis's cult actually influenced the veneration of Mary--its not exactly un-controversial.
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21 Nov 2023, 1:50 pm

Fnord wrote:
Anyone who prays to Mary for any reason is not a Christian.


So declares God's one true prophet and arbitrator of the Christian faith. :roll:


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22 Nov 2023, 3:32 am

Fnord wrote:
At least Protestants don't recite 20 "Hail Marys" for every 3 "Our Fathers".

Worshiping, venerating, and praying to Mary is blasphemy, and the RCC is turning into a global "Marianite" cult.

:roll: Anyone who prays to Mary for any reason is not a Christian.
Although I think all supernatural beliefs are nonsense, I was raised Catholic and am not aware in my experience of any Catholic who worships Mary. Catholics pray to all saints, including Mary, but the purpose is to ask them to intercede with God on their behalf.

Why it would matter however, I don't know.



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22 Nov 2023, 4:16 am

RedDeathFlower13 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
At least Protestants don't recite 20 "Hail Marys" for every 3 "Our Fathers".

Worshiping, venerating, and praying to Mary is blasphemy, and the RCC is turning into a global "Marianite" cult.

:roll: Anyone who prays to Mary for any reason is not a Christian.



Showing more respect for the woman who birthed the Son of God just makes Catholics seem slightly less like the patriarchal chauvanists who would prefer we all lived in The Handmaid's Tale.


I don't know about that. This whole "ever virgin mary" thing makes it seem like they're demonizing women's sexuality. I'm sure the protestants have ways of doing that too.


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22 Nov 2023, 4:17 am

bee33 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
At least Protestants don't recite 20 "Hail Marys" for every 3 "Our Fathers".

Worshiping, venerating, and praying to Mary is blasphemy, and the RCC is turning into a global "Marianite" cult.

:roll: Anyone who prays to Mary for any reason is not a Christian.
Although I think all supernatural beliefs are nonsense, I was raised Catholic and am not aware in my experience of any Catholic who worships Mary. Catholics pray to all saints, including Mary, but the purpose is to ask them to intercede with God on their behalf.

Why it would matter however, I don't know.

Why don't you just ask the big man directly? He doesn't bite.


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22 Nov 2023, 8:29 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
RedDeathFlower13 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
At least Protestants don't recite 20 "Hail Marys" for every 3 "Our Fathers".

Worshiping, venerating, and praying to Mary is blasphemy, and the RCC is turning into a global "Marianite" cult.

:roll: Anyone who prays to Mary for any reason is not a Christian.



Showing more respect for the woman who birthed the Son of God just makes Catholics seem slightly less like the patriarchal chauvanists who would prefer we all lived in The Handmaid's Tale.


I don't know about that. This whole "ever virgin mary" thing makes it seem like they're demonizing women's sexuality. I'm sure the protestants have ways of doing that too.



Hence why I said slightly less like patriarchal chauvanists. ;)

And for the record even the old goddesses of 'paganism" were treated the same way. Like in Greco-Roman Mythology every Goddess was portrayed as either a virgin like Hestia or a whore like Aphrodite.

I found it amusing when Kamala Harris' mother (who was Hindu) was quoted with saying "Countries that believe in Goddesses raise strong women."

That's never been true. Women have always gotten the short end of the stick even in countries that worship them Goddesses. :D


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