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I wanted to share this.

In Christianity, according to the old testament - a devil can simply be an adversary or an accuser (an ordinary person).

So, if a Christian calls you a devil, they don't think you are a supernatural entity in pretty much all cases (unless you are dealing with a crazy person).

This is why I moan a bit about people not being bothered about Christianity. People don't even understand the language of Christianity nor the context of the words in many cases, yet there seems to be many people well versed in LGBT terminoogy, at least online - and it seems trendier too to be LGBT savvy (nothing wrong with being well versed in LGBT terminology, yet there seems to be an imbalance here).

People will label you as crazy for saying something perfectly regular in accordance with Christian terminology.

"The original Hebrew term śāṭān (Hebrew: שָּׂטָן) is a generic noun meaning "accuser" or "adversary",[5][6] which is used throughout the Hebrew Bible to refer to ordinary human adversaries."

I'm sure the discrimination is apparent here to people reading this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_in_Christianity

Your post is several kinds of nonsense.

And the Wiki article doesnt say what you claim it says.

you're claiming that "folks think modern day Christians use the word 'devil' to mean A when they really mean 'B'.

When in fact modern Christians DO use the word devil to mean A.

And both the Old and New Testaments of the Bible show that ancient Christians and Jews also used the word "devil" to mean A.

However the Wiki article explains how, like every word used in every human language on earth, the word "devil" has it s origins in preexisting terms in some long ago language.

Long story short, the Wiki article shows that the ancient Hebrews used the word to mean A when there was a "the" in front of it, but used the older B meaning when there was no the in front.

Last edited by naturalplastic on 06 Jan 2022, 5:46 pm, edited 2 times in total.

It is never enough to simply cite a popular reference.

The reference must be relevant to what is being said.

the reference must be relevant. stop.
who cares what Christians mean- whether they call someone a devil or not, it's a crazy sci-fi story with morally questionable life advice, based on common knowledge from 1500 years ago.

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Raised in a Locality, In A 'Trump Deep State South', i Do Surely

Relate to Stories of 'the Devil'; Yet Observing 'The Church'

Rather Detached, Yet Visiting As An "Anthropology Participant
Observer"

And Also

Observing Behavior
Associated, Yes With A

'Trump Card oF A Devil',

What i Often See is Weak Men

Who Are Disenfranchised in Someway

Using the "Story Book Character oF A Devil"
As An Illusory Crutch to Make Them Feel Bigger

Than they Really Are in Life By Striking Out Against

Perceived People They wanna Feel Bigger Than in Life;

And Using the Illusory Story Book Character oF A Devil
As An Illusory

Power Tool

To Threaten Other

Folks They Wanna Feel
Greater Than With That

Illusory Device of Imagination
From Stories oF old to Build-up

Themselves As A Greater Character

In Life With Power Than They Really Are or Have;

i Remember Sitting in One of the Gospel Singings When
A Little Man With 'Hell Fire Eyes' Stared at me Threatening

Sinners to Hell

By Threat of Devil;

i Had to Hold Back From
Giggling and i Did as i Really
Didn't Wanna Make Him Feel
Any Smaller Than He Already Obviously Was and Still Is;

In the 'Blogging World', i See Folks Trying to Build Themselves up
This Way Threatening Others With 'the Devil' to Go to 'Hell' too, Usually

Also Trying to Prove the World Was Made in 7 Days Or Such Antiquated
Ignorance as that To be Taken Literally From the Words of Ghost Authors

No one has Actually

Met; Yet, Never the

Less, Worshipped in Effect
By the Story Book Tale Still Told
Used By Politics of Church and State
To Subjugate And Control Folks; Number
One, Usually Starting With Reproductive Freedoms

Using That

To Attempt

to Shame Folks

To Fall In A Trap
By Those Who Wish
to Imprison Others in their
Ideologies to Rule as Basically

Their Slaves in Life, Sadly Taking So Many
of Their Freedoms Away, Replacing That With Shame and Guilt...

Indeed, the Literary Device oF A Devil Has Been used to Take Many
Freedoms Away From those Who Follow Rather Than Lead; And Of Course

'The Foe or Adversary'

Is Also Anyone

Who Disagrees
With the Story Book
Rules As Interpreted by
Whoever Rules A Pulpit Roost with

A Story Interpreted Of Their Own Next;

Yet it's True, Some Follow; Some Lead;

Some Fall By the Wayside,

And Basically

Are Never
Heard From Again;

And For Some, Their Destiny

In Someone Else's Story is Just Better than
Nothing at All they Find As Purpose And Meaning In Life...

Other Than That Again the Old Bible Represents Archetypal
Stories About Human Nature As Most Literary Works of Art Do

Through Human HiStory; That much Hasn't Really Changed As One
Will See the Same Old Story With Actors Replacing the Old Same Old

Archetypal Characters

Really Over and

Over again

Ad-Nauseam

As THere Are Always

Gonna Be Dis-Enfranchised

Folks Who Feel Greater Power by

Imagining themselves as Heroes and Or
Villains in Other Stories Folks Create in Life;

Meanwhile,

Others Actually
Write, Direct, Produce
And Genuinely Act their

Own Plays of Life; Yet Again Others
Remain Only Spectators And Audiences
And Even Willing Slaves to Much Older Stories Still Now...

There is Darkness;
There is Light;

There is Day
And Night;

Pleasure
And Pain;

And As Long as We aRe HuMaN
Beings, THere Will Be Stories About
This Human Condition From DarK Thru LiGHT;

50 Shades of Grey; And All What Makes Life What it is,

Roses And Thorns

Fed By

Manure;

Roses, Thorns,

Manure; Or Guns

And Roses; Or Just

Another Song of 'Live and Let Die'...

Sure, By "Guns and Roses" too Or "Paul McCartney" And "Wings;"

Stories Continue, Songs Do Sing, What the Human Condition Dances Again...

And Modern Psychology Does Show That For those More Subject to DarK Forces
of Addiction that Often Come from an Origin of Social Neglect And Abuse in Life;

Often Missing the Warm And Fuzzy Bonds of What the Neurohormone Oxytocin Brings When
Wired Warm that Way In Life Through Positive Bonds in LiGHT of Kindness, Harming Others Least;

Yes, The Noradrenaline and Dopamine Fix That Comes Through Empty Bonds and Binds of Fear, Anger,
And Hate Are Actual Addiction that Folks Fall Under And 'The Devil And Hell' And Threats Thereof Associated
With Fear, Anger, And Hate Against Perceived Enemies is Precisely What One many come to See in Action By

The Part of the Gospel

Singing Where They Get
All Red-Faced And Say

That Homosexual Folks,
Transgender Folks and

Other Folks That Don't Fit in With
Them, Do become Targets of Fear,
Anger, and Hate to Feed that Addiction

of Noradrenaline and Dopamine That Comes

From the Addiction to Fear, Anger, And Hate;

It's Not Really Rocket Science; All Ya Have to
Have is Emotional And Physical Intelligences to

Intuit What is Going Down in Human Land With
Human Archetypes That Come From Common Patterns
of Challenges In Life that Start Early With Big Daddy's Yelling

At their Sons,

Boys Don't
Cry And Smile,
if They Ever Wanna
Become Men Who Aren't

Afraid to Shoot 'The Enemy Dead;'


True, There Are Guns and Roses in Life;

True, There Are Lovers and Haters In Life;

And By Metaphor, There Are Human, Otherwise

Sweet Sheep, Who Turn Themselves in to Callous

Goats and

Basically

Kill Their

HeART, SPiRiT
SoUL of Real Love
Forever in a Tear in A Sad Beer;

Anyone Got a 'Garth Brooks' Song for this?

i'm Thinking Maybe "The Thunder Rolls" Or

Perhaps "Live and Let Die" By 'Guns And Roses'...

There Are unlimited Choices Really As the Human
Condition Does what

it still does

in DarK
And LiGHT...

Devil or Angel,

Or Wings Slowly Torn Off From Birth...

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Are you a Christian yourself?

Your post seems to have a derogatory tone to it.

I can tell you, from my lived experience, having attended two Christian schools that calling someone a devil translates to someone being an opponent or an adversary, whether a political opponent or otherwise.

The article does say exactly what I said - you have simply not interpreted it correctly, probably because you are not a Christian yourself.

"In Christianity, the Devil is a creature who became a tempter and a deceiver of mankind after he rebelled against God in an attempt to become equal to God himself. He is depicted as a fallen angel, who was expelled from Heaven at the beginning of time, before God created the material world, and is in constant opposition to God."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_in_Christianity

In a Christian context, even in today's world of 2021 - it is normal to call someone a devil or a demon if they are your adversary.

It's as simple as that.

You don't have to agree with Christianity, I am simply informing you of what the term devil means, both in written biblical scipture and informal, Christian vernacular.

For me, Christianity is as important to my identity as being LGBTQ+ is, for LGBTQ+ folk (who centre their identity around that).

I am many things - but I am a Christian, first & foremost.

you're saying that the word "devil is not used to mean a supernatural being. Its used to refer to character who is a fallen angel" In short you're saying "the devil is not a supernatural being, he is a supernatural being".


The Wiki article is just saying that way back in the Bronze Age when the Hebrews invented the concept of the Devil they had to find a word for the concept, so they just repurposed the word they already had in their language for "adversary". Just like English words evolved the same way. Spirit originally meant "wind", and "true" meant literally "straight" (like in woodwork).

No I am not a "Christian". The issue is that if you're gonna attack or defend something I like to be able to follow what you're saying.

No, I am saying/I meant that the word devil has multiple meanings in different contexts.

It can mean many things, and includes, but isn't limited to the meaning of:



1) Human adversary/opponent
2) Supernatural being that opposes God