I’m fed up with people not liking vaccine mandates

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This is sort of a continuation of my thread in the haven on Wednesday in regards to the political stuff that’s been driving me crazy. As I said in that thread, I completely blew up when my dad told me to take responsibility when I got screwed over by the upper management of my work. But there were other underlying things that had been bothering me about him and other people of his side of the family, in fact that further fueled how upset I was at him. A lot of that is political, which is what I’m gonna talk about.

As we all know, there are many people who have refused to get vaccinated, most likely for 2 reasons. 1. It could be bc of what they’re taught at their church. Or 2. It could be bc they take what is said on Fox News more seriously than licensed medical professionals. Or it could be both. Either way, it’s nauseating to think how delusional these people are to the point that they can’t do the right thing during a PANDEMIC and about the drastic measures people are willing to take, like quitting their jobs, to avoid getting vaccinated.

Now, there are also people out there who are pro-vaccine, but anti-mandate. Here’s my issue with that stance: Basically, they are pandering to people who think that getting vaccinated isn’t what’s best for them, a decision that could possibly KILL them and has killed many anti-vaxxers. Furthermore, there’s also the people who are influenced by said anti-vaxxers, and THEY become anti vaxxers too, a way of brainwashing that could KILL them. Also, the pro-vaccine, anti mandate crowd also thinks that anti-vax parents, who are not medical workers, SHOULD have the final say in whether or not their kids get vaccinated, which could get some kids KILLED.

And Fox News and other “sources” that spew out conspiracy bull crap play a big role in all that. I’m sure these same people either don’t realize or are perfectly fine with the damage they’re all doing.

Now, my dad and my uncle all both pro vax, anti mandate. I’ve heard my uncle in especially ramble about how awful vaccine mandates are. My uncle actually stated that he had gotten vaccinated to protect his mom(my grandmother). So he does understand the importance of the vaccine. But if one wants to live dangerously and not get vaxxed, it’s alright.

I love my dad and my uncle and I don’t want to be annoyed by them, but being aware of the dangers of their opinions makes that harder for me. I want to have a better relationship with my dad and my step mom, the two people I currently live with, but there’s a lot of things they say that annoy me, whether it’s political or something that invalidates the frustration I have about something.

Thank you all for taking the time to read this. There’s so many outside forces that are challenging my state of mind.

Here’s an example of an anti vaxxer who felt so strongly against it that he gave up his job.

And then last week, he had died of COVID!

Fox News has not taken down this video nor have they acknowledged that he died. I wonder how the rest of his anti-vax family feels about the COVID vaccine now.

You're preaching the the choir.

It is the "Darwin Effect" in action; sooner or later, people who oppose life-saving mandates will lose their own lives to whatever protections the mandates impose.

• Smokers die of cancer and COPD.

• Motorcyclists die of massive head injuries without their helmets.

• Climbers and aerial workers become "street pizza" without their safety harnesses.

• Anti-vaxxers die of the diseases the vaccines will prevent or mitigate without their vaccines.

The list goes on.

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Addictions to Adrenaline And
Dopamine; Including Fear, General
Discontent, Anger, And Hate Among
Folks in Cultures

And Now Correlated

With those Who Have
A Lack of Trust in Authority
Who Were Abused Or Neglected
in Small Childhood Through Youth

(Who Refuse the Big Vaccine JABS too)

And AdultHood too as True, The Warm
Cozy Feeling of Trust With Serotonin
And Oxytocin Is Often Blunted And

Not Appropriately Wired Among

Those Raised With The Hand

of Neglect And Abuse...

SMiLes my Mama

Treated me Like Gold Love;

Will 'We' Like to Do A Survey
Here About Who Is More Naughty or Nice

Or Can And Will We Just Use Common Sense and
Feel to Figure Out What's Going Down in the Old USA Now

As Where i Live, i Still Hear The Yells of Big Daddy's At their
Little Boys Telling them Man-Up, Boys Don't Cry or Smile For Joy....

Of Course It's
Just Correlation

Yet of Course,

Wherever Folks Are
Excluded (Yes, Neglected And Abused) From their
Emotional Life, Life is Not As Good, Obviously,
For Those Who Do Experience Life is Good Now, So

What's the

Anti-Dote...

What's the Vaccine...

For the Overall Problem...

CaLL It KinD, CaLL it Love

Better Yet "Just do It"

Even If We Don't

Feel Like
IT and
Save the
World of Humans
in Some Small Way of 'SMiLES'...

Anyway, i Do What i Can And Will
in An Area Where 70 to 80 Percent
of Folks Still Support 'the Religion' of 'Trumpism'

And Where the Resistance to the Vaccine(s), So Predictably,
Like Every Other County That Voted For 'Trumpism' was the Most in

NorthWest
Florida,

The 'Bible
Belt' in Florida,

Where it Seems Like
An Old Testament 'God'
of Fear, Wrath, And Big Jealousy Still Rules

Now With Addictions to Fear, Discontent,
Anger, And Hell of Hate, Still Ruling for a
Little Bit oF A Regular Hit of Adrenaline
And Dopamine

To Still Grow

Now with Just
Another

Name

of 'Trumpism' For Some...

Yes, CaLL it "The Social Neglect And Abuse Effect"...

Like So Many Other Instances of Life Experiences
That Brings Wisdom, i Didn't Need A Science Study
to Figure this Out; Yet It's True, Not All Share Similar

Life Experiences

So Thank God For
Science WHere At
Least THere is A
Common Sheet of Choir Music...

i'm Always Asking Why, And i
Never Exclude ANYONE from my Research...

It's What Ya Do When Ya Do 'Real Science' For Life's
Wisdom,
Ya Leave the 'Butt Hurt' AS Such Out of the 'Equation'...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/01/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-could-be-linked-childhood-trauma-research

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except that motorcyclists and smokers look really cool in their twenties, procreate, and die later, leaving offspring with a genetic predisposition for addictive and risky behaviour.... I mean, it is evolution, alright, but none of these are necessarily creating selective pressure and, depending on cultural connotations, can even increase fitness, i.e., "coolness".
What happens after procreation is of course another thing... but if my vaccine-sceptic father were to die, now, in his 70s, the inheritance I'd receive would make me wealthier, increasing my reproductive fitness.

in other words: this might go wrong.

Not if there are anti vaxxers here.

Yeah, you do have a point.  There has to be a more correct term than "Darwin Effect" for getting killed while doing something against which people have been warned . . . how about "Stupidity"?

There have been staff shortages in a lot of industries including nursing/health care because they chose to give up their career rather than take the vaccine.

That said it is a mistake to conflate the anti mandate movement with refuseniks. There are many vaxxed people, and people that think not getting vaxxed is a dumb choice that supports the movement, go to their demonstrations etc. They say it is the government should not tell people what to do with their personal space issue. For the longest time especially since 9/11 Americans have generally accepted more and more government invasiveness in their personal lives. But it is this issue that has really stirred people up. And it is not just America but worldwide.

I think it has something to do with the concept of tipping point.. The murder of George Floyd was another such tipping point. There have been plenty of videos of cops killing black people, and they have caused reactions but nothing close to what the Floyd video did.

Mandatory vaccines are no different than work places having dress codes or hair codes, not allowing tattoos. So another reason for staff shortages are mandatory vaccines.

Right, it's not as if it's the first time anybody had ever been pushed around in the Land Of The Free. They'd have deported me if I hadn't accepted every vaccine on their list, but I've never heard anybody argue against that. Though I can see something of the emotional reason why having to let somebody squirt something into your body would be seen as a step further than saying you can't have a tattoo. But the strength of the reasons are rather different - the vaccine has a practical result of protecting people from a potentially lethal virus, while seeing somebody's tattoo or non-conforming hairstyle never even made anybody ill. The fact of bank staff in Holland working in jeans and t-shirts proves that the dress code stuff isn't important if only people would stretch their style a little bit.

What I don't quite understand is why some people get so upset about the (supposedly) democratically elected government pushing people around if they accept the demands of a factory owner who they can't vote out of office. Shouldn't it be the other way round?

I'm vaccinated, but I don't believe in mandating them. You can get Covid from a vaccinated person just as easily as an unvaccinated person. The current science is that we're all going to get Covid eventually.

I’m happy for anti-vax people to face the consequences of their decisions. They are adults and should be free to make those decisions.

That being said, I support the right of people to say “you must be vaccinated to come here”. I just don’t think it should be the government saying that.

The benefits of vaccinate mandates is that it might push some people who aren’t anti-vax but just haven’t got around to getting vaccinated to go and get vaccinated. I have been volunteering at a booster clinic and we do get people who are coming for first or second doses. Some are just young, some are nervous, some are living in care and have been forgotten about due to admin errors, some just haven’t got around to it. I know someone who has been told they will be kicked out of their home if they get vaccinated. There is a huge gap between “anti-vaccine” and “unvaccinated”. We should be supporting the unvaccinated rather than condemning them - but that support could legitimately involve a little bit of coercion.

The other benefit is that increasing the vaccinated population will help us all, by cutting down on the spread of the virus and reducing the burden on hospitals. Yes, the vaccines do reduce transmission, albeit not completely: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 73-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext

Is it worth impinging upon people’s rights by forbidding them from doing certain things if they are unvaccinated? In my view, usually not. But that is very much a judgement call and reasonable people will disagree!

but there’s MUCH less of a chance that you DIE of COVID if you’re vaxxed. And less of a chance you take up a hospital bed. People who had heart attacks, for example, are getting TURNED AWAY from hospitals because they have no space for them.

Refuse the vaccine, get covid, and die -- I have no problem with that anymore, because it means one less anti-medicine, anti-science, anti-vaxxer whining and carrying on about how his or her freedoms are being restricted.  Here is one exercising his freedoms right now . . .