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18 Feb 2022, 9:26 am

Is Hillary Clinton staging a comeback?

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Hillary Clinton is a regular target on conservative nightly news. Her interventions in down-ballot races and public appearances are becoming more frequent. Her popularity within the party is sky-high. You’d be forgiven for thinking that it all feels very familiar.

After years of keeping a relatively low profile, the Democratic grandee who nearly became America’s first woman president is staging a political comeback. After two failed efforts, there is even talk of another run for president in 2024.

The former secretary of state returned to the national stage on Thursday as she spoke at the New York State Democratic convention, ostensibly in support of Kathy Hochul’s nomination for governor. What followed was not a speech for New York, but to the nation — and it was aimed at a familiar foe.

“I know many of us hoped that defeating Trump would start to heal our divisions, that maybe, just maybe, the madness would break. But now it should be clear to all of us that the struggle for unity and democracy is far from over,” she said.

“It is one thing to have political disagreements, those are natural and healthy. But it is an entirely different thing altogether to lose a shared sense of truth, facts and reality itself.”

It was yet another reminder, if one were needed, that she and her party have been fighting the same battle for more than five years: How to deal with the unique threat posed by Donald Trump. Ironically, it is Mr Trump’s refusal to accept his loss to Joe Biden, and his promotion of conspiracy theories about a stolen election, that has drawn Ms Clinton back into the fray.

Given that Mr Biden will be 82 when 2024 comes around, and amid swirling doubts about the viability of his vice president, Kamala Harris, many have wondered aloud who could step in to take the nomination for the presidency should he decide not to run.

A recent op-ed in the Wall Street Journal suggested that should Democrats lose control of Congress in 2022, Ms Clinton “can use the party’s loss as a basis to run for president again, enabling her to claim the title of ‘change candidate.’”

Based on her latest public statements, it’s clear that Mrs Clinton not only recognizes her position as a potential front-runner but also is setting up a process to help her decide whether or not to run for president again,” the op-ed, written by pollster ​​Douglas E Schoen and Andrew Stein, continued.

Such predictions are not being taken too seriously within the party.

Speaking in December, the former secretary of state made a plea for moderation in the Democratic Party’s message as a way to win votes from independents.

“I think that it is a time for some careful thinking about what wins elections, and not just in deep-blue districts where a Democrat and a liberal Democrat, or so-called progressive Democrat, is going to win,” she said.

I guess we are doomed to regurgitating the 2016 election for the foreseeable future.


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18 Feb 2022, 10:01 am

I hope somebody different from the "usual suspects" comes out of the woodwork by 2024......



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18 Feb 2022, 10:13 am

Such madness when there are dozens of more qualified candidates for POTUS who could inject fresh ideas rather than old establishment relics...


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18 Feb 2022, 12:31 pm

I think whoever is writing human history so it happens is running out of ideas.


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18 Feb 2022, 12:48 pm

I'm sure the ruling elite would gave no problem backing her in 2024. She'll serve their interests splendidly.

Good candidates have no chance of rising to the top in our current system. The primaries are a joke. Voting is a meaningless activity at this point.


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18 Feb 2022, 1:16 pm

Dear God.

Nothing against Hillary (I mean -- I'm sure there are problems with Hillary, but I don't follow her story) .... but don't they have anyone else?

There are millions of bright, ambitious, morally-and-socially-conscious activists and theorists, academics, veterans, politicians, businesspeople, and philosophers in America.

Why do they keep recycling the same people?

I honestly don't get it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'd rather vote for VegetableMan, or some of the other critical thinking members here, than have to vote for the same figureheads they keep promoting on spin cycle in the USA.

Also what happened to the current VP? I thought it was a woman and everyone liked her.

I thought she was essentially doing Biden's job already.

Can't she run for President?


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18 Feb 2022, 1:27 pm

It sure is a system that needs to change. The powers that be have lost touch with the people - if indeed they ever really bothered about the people's choices.

In one or two elections years back, independent candidates such as Ross Perot and Ralph Nader did rather well, but lately the US has become ever more a two party system.


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18 Feb 2022, 1:29 pm

I don't think they should have political parties.

Abolish the whole concept.

Wipe the slate clean, and elect people based on merit.

This idea of "partisanship" and party loyalty is garbage, because it only creates division.


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18 Feb 2022, 1:32 pm

We have a party in my country that wants to do that, but they're very small and currently have no representation. They feel people need be more self sufficient and are against big government.


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18 Feb 2022, 1:36 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
We have a party in my country that wants to do that, but they're very small and currently have no representation. They feel people need be more self sufficient and are against big government.


A party that wants to abolish parties. 8) Ironic.

I don't know how it would be done or legislated.

It would involve throwing everyone out, and starting over. It's clearly a huge step, but the country is falling apart otherwise.

There could still be "big government" so to speak, but at least the members would be skills-specialists instead of partisan plebes.


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18 Feb 2022, 1:47 pm

They're called the Organic Humanity Movement and are led by Lauren Evanthia Bernardo. They are pretty much out on a limb with their unique ideas but also fielded a wide variety of candidates in the Local Govt elections - among the most diverse in terms of age, race, gender etc. They face an uphill battle because although people want to be free, not enough of them want to climb out on that limb in order to truly live free. They're too used to the status quo -better the devil they know.


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18 Feb 2022, 1:54 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
They're called the Organic Humanity Movement and are led by Lauren Evanthia Bernardo. They are pretty much out on a limb with their unique ideas but also fielded a wide variety of candidates in the Local Govt elections - among the most diverse in terms of age, race, gender etc. They face an uphill battle because although people want to be free, not enough of them want to climb out on that limb in order to truly live free. They're too used to the status quo -better the devil they know.



Interesting. Thanks. I'll check it out. ^

I understand it's a pipe dream at this point, but I wish all democracies could move toward the model. Phase people out slowly by attrition. Something. Anything. Start at the local level. I don't know because I'm not into politics whatsoever -- likely because of the two party crap and all the groupthink it creates.

Wouldn't it be better to elect the best-trained and best-experienced people from all walks of life for every position?

I'm freaked out by the idea that people have to walk into their job with a preset loyalty toward the rest of their "party", towing the party line, when they don't know what's going on behind the scenes (conspiracies, nepotism, espionage, corruption, scandals, secrets, extortion).


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18 Feb 2022, 1:59 pm

we need scientists and other experts in their respective fields.

Ones that make decisions based on their experience rather than for political reasons, which hamstring common sense and sensible choices.

Just supposing we ever got to meet intelligent aliens from space - would we really want the average politician to represent humanity? I think not.... :roll: :wink: :P


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18 Feb 2022, 2:34 pm

I think there is little hope left for the U S., we are circling the drain. The only possibility of reversing the trajectory we're on is massive resistance by the people. That's not going to happen. The end game is coming soon, just like all empires throughout history.


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18 Feb 2022, 3:55 pm

As if it couldnt get worse, I don`t think you could call the US a democracy if this happens.

Even practically speaking, she`ll be 76 so will be nearly as old as Biden now & expected to serve until 84! 8O


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18 Feb 2022, 4:00 pm

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Even practically speaking, she`ll be 76 so will be nearly as old as Biden now & expected to serve until 84! 8O

We've already had Reagan who may have had Alzheimer's in office & we don't need another President with that or dementia.


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