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08 Jan 2023, 1:32 am

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10 Jan 2023, 1:30 am

Russia is gaining ground, unfortunately.



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10 Jan 2023, 3:33 am

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Russia is gaining ground, unfortunately.

You mean Kreminna or Soledar? Soledar might be another case of a minor success blown out of proportion, this time by the other side. Waiting for satellite data.

As I said before, right now the war is roughly balanced. Ukraine needs much more weapons to move forward - especially tanks and armed vehicles.
It's good news that next political taboos of providing weapons from the West are being broken.


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11 Jan 2023, 3:07 am

Youtube's recommendations have gotten really bad. Lots of low-quality Russo-Ukrainian war porn. Lots of "James Webb telescope makes amazing [fictional clickbait] discovery" channels. I even tried clearing my history so it could start over, and it's still trash.



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11 Jan 2023, 3:31 am

Delete cookies... and don't use autoplay.
Youtube algorithms are designed for entertainment and they perform very poorly for news. They can't tell popularity from value, resulting in The Ultimate Tabloid.
It's better to stick to a selection of channels you've previously found valuable.


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11 Jan 2023, 6:39 am

magz wrote:
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Russia is gaining ground, unfortunately.

You mean Kreminna or Soledar? Soledar might be another case of a minor success blown out of proportion, this time by the other side. Waiting for satellite data.

As I said before, right now the war is roughly balanced. Ukraine needs much more weapons to move forward - especially tanks and armed vehicles.
It's good news that next political taboos of providing weapons from the West are being broken.


Soledar...



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11 Jan 2023, 6:51 am

Russians are likely to take Soledar.
It won't easily lead to surrounding Bakhmut, there are many more lines of defense.
I hope civilians have been already evacuated.

What can I say? Dear NATO members, send tanks.


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14 Jan 2023, 1:03 pm

Whoa, close call:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/ukrainian- ... -1.6229900

Also, I read a headline that the UK has agreed to supply tanks to Ukraine. Things keep ramping up.


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14 Jan 2023, 1:36 pm

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Also, I read a headline that the UK has agreed to supply tanks to Ukraine. Things keep ramping up.
A symbolic number so far but it's breaking some taboo and launching training of Ukrainian soldiers on Challengers II.
Also, Poland and Finland (and allegedly three more states that choose to remain anonymous) are going to give Ukraine Leopards 2 once Germany gives green light to it. Duda announcing this during the meeting in Lviv was probably the way to apply popular pressure on Germany.

BTW, how do you construct plural? Leopards 2 or Leopard 2s?


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14 Jan 2023, 3:04 pm

Has anyone thought maybe all this western aid is actually helping Russia in the long term.

If seems they wont pass a threshold that will win the war, rather make it harder for them to advance, all its doing is fueling the fighting, which will further cause the destruction and emptying of the population in battle zones of E Ukraine.

Those that feel Russian will escape to Russia, those that want to be Ukrainian will escape west to central / western Ukraine.

But the point is those towns will be destroyed and emptied like Solidar meaning no long term insurgency war will happen.

Maybe this explains Russia`s strategy a little here. They don`t want millions of angry ethnic Ukrainians to feed and look after, like the US in Iraq.

If those lands can be emptied no one is going to cause any trouble there for them in the future.

I can fully understand the desire to militarily help Ukraine but maybe the whole western strategy is wrong.


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15 Jan 2023, 3:22 am

carlos55 wrote:

Maybe this explains Russia`s strategy a little here. They don`t want millions of angry ethnic Ukrainians to feed and look after, like the US in Iraq.


During WWII, 1/3 of the population of the Baltic states was deported to other parts of the USSR and Soviet citizens were brought in to "Russianise" the countries invaded.
Something to think about. 8)



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15 Jan 2023, 6:50 am

Pepe wrote:
carlos55 wrote:

Maybe this explains Russia`s strategy a little here. They don`t want millions of angry ethnic Ukrainians to feed and look after, like the US in Iraq.


During WWII, 1/3 of the population of the Baltic states was deported to other parts of the USSR and Soviet citizens were brought in to "Russianise" the countries invaded.
Something to think about. 8)


I understand a similar thing happened in Crimea after world war 2 with the Tatars.

I was just reminded of what the British did in N Ireland centuries ago. They were worried Britain could be outflanked by the French or Spanish via an invasion from the west via Ireland.

So what they did they preempted it by invading & occupying Ireland themselves. Once there they poured in many British Protestants who settled in the north, which are still there today.

Today N Ireland is part of the UK but S Ireland is independent. When the logical issue of a united Ireland comes up UK politicians fall back on "self determination" of the people that live there.

Most people in N Ireland feel British and want to remain in the UK, but of course if you follow the family line back they were not the indigenous population even if they were born there.

I believe Putin is following a similar tactic here. Allowing a slow burn of the donbas through a long fight for each town that eventually gets destroyed and which is forcing people out.

If/when the whole of the donbas falls to Russia, they will re-introduce the ethnic Russians who temporarily fled back and even more Russians to live there.

Putin or his successor will eventually fall back on the self determination argument for the population that lives there.


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15 Jan 2023, 7:21 am

Lol. A funny assumption that life looks the same under Kremlin and under "Western" influence, so it's all about ethnicity plus some technical details. You wish it was - in such case, it could be settled with diplomatic means only.
If Russians cared about self-determination of nations, they wouldn't try to capture Kyiv and they wouldn't keep talking about nuking Warsaw.


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15 Jan 2023, 7:30 am

magz wrote:
Lol. A funny assumption that life looks the same under Kremlin and under "Western" influence, so it's all about ethnicity plus some technical details. You wish it was - in such case, it could be settled with diplomatic means only.
If Russians cared about self-determination of nations, they wouldn't try to capture Kyiv and they wouldn't keep talking about nuking Warsaw.


More in respect to insurgency warfare against an occupying army

Of course in the international arena of politics any successor could bring up the self determination issue too


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15 Jan 2023, 7:35 am

carlos55 wrote:
More in respect to insurgency warfare against an occupying army
Can you explain what you mean in the context of this discussion?

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Of course in the international arena of politics any successor could bring up the self determination issue too
You mean rhetorics?
Everyone keeps talking big words about great values. The question is how it compares to the reality.
If Russia cared for self-determination of nations, they would neither attack Kyiv nor, earlier, raze Grozny to the ground. Nor would they have done several things even earlier, like what they did to the Balts.


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