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04 Nov 2022, 2:08 pm

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Very emotional video (that was its idea), but
1. the catchphrase "war never changes" is historically very inaccurate;
2. the "reason" for the next war from this video - shortages of nearly every resource as a result of overconsumption - is neither the reality of the current world nor the reason for current wars.
Actually, resource shortages and problems are the effect of the war - not the other way around.

So, let's keep it where it belongs - a very emotional intro to a game.

True.. buuut it is said, and makes sense, that this is a war for resources. Ukraine is very rich in many natural resources that both russia & the USA/West have a profit interest in controlling.

russia has a greater interest in the area for strategic defence purposes, though. I get that.

But there are certainly a lot of $$$$$ worth of all kinds of natural resources in play here. USA doesn't tend to get involved in maintaining democracy/freedom unless it comes with $$$$ attached by being able to control an area worth exploiting. Otherrwise they'd be bringing their brand of freedom and democracy everywhere regardless of $ to be made.. and that's not the case. Then there are areas that maybe should be defended but the USA/others have no real chance of winning so they'd don't get involved - bye bye Hong Kong's way of government & life, hello Chinese overlords, for example.


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05 Nov 2022, 4:56 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
magz wrote:
Very emotional video (that was its idea), but
1. the catchphrase "war never changes" is historically very inaccurate;
2. the "reason" for the next war from this video - shortages of nearly every resource as a result of overconsumption - is neither the reality of the current world nor the reason for current wars.
Actually, resource shortages and problems are the effect of the war - not the other way around.

So, let's keep it where it belongs - a very emotional intro to a game.

True.. buuut it is said, and makes sense, that this is a war for resources. Ukraine is very rich in many natural resources that both russia & the USA/West have a profit interest in controlling.

russia has a greater interest in the area for strategic defence purposes, though. I get that.

But there are certainly a lot of $$$$$ worth of all kinds of natural resources in play here. USA doesn't tend to get involved in maintaining democracy/freedom unless it comes with $$$$ attached by being able to control an area worth exploiting. Otherrwise they'd be bringing their brand of freedom and democracy everywhere regardless of $ to be made.. and that's not the case. Then there are areas that maybe should be defended but the USA/others have no real chance of winning so they'd don't get involved - bye bye Hong Kong's way of government & life, hello Chinese overlords, for example.


The way that the US handles foreign affairs is utterly disgusting.



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09 Nov 2022, 3:59 pm

Something weird is going on around Kherson, lots of conflicting information from both sides... Ukrainians claim they are doing something "requiring information silence", while Russians are giving plenty of conflicting information.
My guess is that Russians are trying to save their face when losing Kherson - they got orders to fight to the last soldier but it just does not make sense, so they're making a show for Putin and others on Kremlin who have big dreams and no idea about what is actually possible.


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10 Nov 2022, 3:26 am

magz wrote:
Something weird is going on around Kherson, lots of conflicting information from both sides... Ukrainians claim they are doing something "requiring information silence", while Russians are giving plenty of conflicting information.
My guess is that Russians are trying to save their face when losing Kherson - they got orders to fight to the last soldier but it just does not make sense, so they're making a show for Putin and others on Kremlin who have big dreams and no idea about what is actually possible.


The Russian commander has indicated that they will be evacuating Kherson.
The Ukrainians are concerned it may be a trap.



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10 Nov 2022, 3:27 am

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Update from Ukraine | Ruzzia calls army out from Kherson | Ukrainian army may be trapped
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10 Nov 2022, 4:10 am

Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
Something weird is going on around Kherson, lots of conflicting information from both sides... Ukrainians claim they are doing something "requiring information silence", while Russians are giving plenty of conflicting information.
My guess is that Russians are trying to save their face when losing Kherson - they got orders to fight to the last soldier but it just does not make sense, so they're making a show for Putin and others on Kremlin who have big dreams and no idea about what is actually possible.
The Russian commander has indicated that they will be evacuating Kherson.
The Ukrainians are concerned it may be a trap.
Americans (ISW) believe it's not literally trap but rather attempts to slow down Ukrainians so Russians can evacuate in relative order.

In any case, mines and small traps everywhere are to be expected.

The tactics of cutting out supply lines to force Russians to withdraw has previously worked around Kyiv and in Snake Island. It's slow but less risky than direct fights. Saves your own supplies and men better, especially against forces bigger than yours.

But it looks like little will remain of Kherson to liberate :(
Meh, we've rebuilt Warsaw after WWII, we'll rebuild Kherson and Mariupol.


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11 Nov 2022, 4:39 am

I wonder if that is true:
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Source - he's a journalist specializing in international security topics.

If so...

okay...

While I was checking my sources and formatting, this emerged:
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Kherson :heart:


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11 Nov 2022, 5:16 am

magz wrote:
I wonder if that is true:



While I was checking my sources and formatting, this emerged:
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Kherson :heart:


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11 Nov 2022, 5:25 am

Probably locals did it but it means there were no Russian forces sufficient to prevent it.

Ukrainian army proceeds cauciously, trying to avoid their own losses, but it looks like they're going to claim the city soon.
Then we know what's next - long and laborous de-mining and then discoveries and investigations on more and more crimes that happened in the area.
Like everywhere else in liberated areas.


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11 Nov 2022, 7:31 am

https://liveuamap.com/en has updated area control - practically no Russian control West of Dnipro.

Stabilizing the frontline on a great river would free significant forces... both sides.


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11 Nov 2022, 10:03 am

Kherson now
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1591075008616407040
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1591091655444135936
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11 Nov 2022, 2:08 pm

After dark, still celebrating :heart:
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/15 ... 8110630912


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11 Nov 2022, 3:27 pm

Progress is good. Hopefully this isn't a trap or russia preparing to play even dirtier in the area.


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11 Nov 2022, 4:26 pm

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Progress is good. Hopefully this isn't a trap or russia preparing to play even dirtier in the area.
I believe Russians wanted to make a trap but Ukrainian intelligence is good enough - don't forget, at least some small fraction of these people cheering now were likely to secretely help.
Probably mines are everywhere, a hunt for Russian soldiers remaining on the West bank is ongoing and another massive rocket strike on civilian infrastructure is expected - but once Russians have left Kherson, they are very unlikely to come back, for physical reasons (crossing the river).


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12 Nov 2022, 4:25 am

magz wrote:
https://liveuamap.com/en has updated area control - practically no Russian control West of Dnipro.

Stabilizing the frontline on a great river would free significant forces... both sides.


Then it boils down to quality, and the Ukrainians have that in spades. ;)



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