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20 Feb 2022, 10:18 am

I like this idea.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/victorias-secret-1st-model-down-syndrome?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR0YjqiXdBgc6HERwvEa6UcXDpz4kpCIBngUutpaSvb6dHc6aJAEQrdBaa4


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20 Feb 2022, 11:59 am

Glad to see this happening. Congratulations Sofia.


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20 Feb 2022, 5:45 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Glad to see this happening. Congratulations Sofia.


Yep!

Considering the number of disabled folk is rising for whatever reason - I think this is going to be a niche industry eventually.


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21 Feb 2022, 1:55 am

Personally I have a low opinion of the fashion industry, so it's hard for me to get excited about this, though I don't wish her any harm.



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21 Feb 2022, 1:00 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
Personally I have a low opinion of the fashion industry, so it's hard for me to get excited about this, though I don't wish her any harm.


It is a shallow industry, but for me, any way for a disabled person to gain respect, even if for themselves, is a great option, even if left alone by disabled folk. :)


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21 Feb 2022, 3:49 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:
It is a shallow industry, but for me, any way for a disabled person to gain respect, even if for themselves, is a great option, even if left alone by disabled folk. :)


It's a very tricky area for me to talk about when somebody I feel I ought to support gets somewhere in a field of endeavour that in my eyes does a lot more harm than good. I'd feel much the same if she'd become the Pope or the leader of the Tory party. She'll no doubt be popular, and I guess that's not to be sniffed at, I just wish she'd picked a career more aligned with equality. Harmful sectors of society often acquire an underprivileged person to make themselves look like a force for good, while they continue to do harm. But I wouldn't want to say any of this to her.



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21 Feb 2022, 8:27 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
It is a shallow industry, but for me, any way for a disabled person to gain respect, even if for themselves, is a great option, even if left alone by disabled folk. :)


It's a very tricky area for me to talk about when somebody I feel I ought to support gets somewhere in a field of endeavour that in my eyes does a lot more harm than good. I'd feel much the same if she'd become the Pope or the leader of the Tory party. She'll no doubt be popular, and I guess that's not to be sniffed at, I just wish she'd picked a career more aligned with equality. Harmful sectors of society often acquire an underprivileged person to make themselves look like a force for good, while they continue to do harm. But I wouldn't want to say any of this to her.


Being a pope is an awesome career path.

Don't believe the Satanist propaganda.


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22 Feb 2022, 11:56 am

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Being a pope is an awesome career path.

Don't believe the Satanist propaganda.


I don't, I just strongly disapprove of spiritual authority, especially when the spiritual leader puts it about that it's selfish to keep pets instead of having children.



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23 Feb 2022, 6:53 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:

Being a pope is an awesome career path.

Don't believe the Satanist propaganda.


I don't, I just strongly disapprove of spiritual authority, especially when the spiritual leader puts it about that it's selfish to keep pets instead of having children.


Well, the church can be a bit extreme in its views, particularly the Catholic church, but the very pinnacle of representation of the Catholic church has to consider everyone under his command (in terms of influence) - and he has to pay lip service to church-goers who believe their only purpose on Earth is to reproduce?

That doesn't mean the pope won't be willing to say different things along a timescale of Christian progression.


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23 Feb 2022, 7:05 pm

I have to wonder what the real message is . . .

“Look at us! We provide fashionable clothing for disabled people!

. . . or . . .

“Look at us! We use disabled people as fashion models!”



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23 Feb 2022, 7:08 pm

Fnord wrote:
I have to wonder what the real message is . . .

“Look at us! We provide fashionable clothing for disabled people!

. . . or . . .

“Look at us! We use disabled people as fashion models!”


I would say the message functions as both of those things, regardless of the intention. People will interpret open-ended messages the exact way in which they want to, a lot of the time.


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24 Feb 2022, 6:24 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:
Well, the church can be a bit extreme in its views, particularly the Catholic church, but the very pinnacle of representation of the Catholic church has to consider everyone under his command (in terms of influence) - and he has to pay lip service to church-goers who believe their only purpose on Earth is to reproduce?

That doesn't mean the pope won't be willing to say different things along a timescale of Christian progression.

Sure, he's very likely said things I'd agree with. But one corker like that "selfish people keep pets instead of having kids" remark goes a long way with me. And if he only said it to ingratiate himself with those who think in that nasty, judgemental way, then that puts me off him too.



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25 Feb 2022, 12:13 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
Well, the church can be a bit extreme in its views, particularly the Catholic church, but the very pinnacle of representation of the Catholic church has to consider everyone under his command (in terms of influence) - and he has to pay lip service to church-goers who believe their only purpose on Earth is to reproduce?

That doesn't mean the pope won't be willing to say different things along a timescale of Christian progression.

Sure, he's very likely said things I'd agree with. But one corker like that "selfish people keep pets instead of having kids" remark goes a long way with me. And if he only said it to ingratiate himself with those who think in that nasty, judgemental way, then that puts me off him too.


I personally don't focus in on small details of what people say. I look at what ideology they are representing. If that is Christianity or democracy, I will forgive almost anything, on an emotional level.


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