10 Dec 2022, 9:07 pm
10 Dec 2022, 11:33 pm
11 Dec 2022, 6:14 am
Yes it was important to single out , “about worthiness and blonde women “…… only posting citing race/appearance of women in this entire thread . 
And the concept of being worthy. Especially given the issue you were raising about the Use “R” as a general tool of Warfare Throughout history or On a apparent Universal basis . 
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(Your writing does not seem to give the appearance of much sensitivity on the topic . Regarding Women.) 
11 Dec 2022, 8:38 am
11 Dec 2022, 7:36 pm
11 Dec 2022, 7:43 pm
cyberdad wrote:
In the context of WWII (Which is the period the OP is focussed on) I find it strange that the OP pretends that retribution had no part to play in what happened in Berlin given the Nazi state (which was supported by the civilians of Berlin) did far worse against the women of the Soviet Union. Seems oddly lacking empathy and also an unhealthy fixation which can't be good for his mental health.
So, you are saying that it is acceptable, and presumably just, that the Russian hierarchy turned a blind eye to the rape of German civilian women...
And it is acceptable and just that the Russian hierarchy has done the same this time in Ukraine.
"Interesting."
11 Dec 2022, 7:53 pm
11 Dec 2022, 8:02 pm
11 Dec 2022, 8:05 pm
11 Dec 2022, 8:19 pm
cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
What exactly is the issue being discussed?
This 'rapefest' was not at all unique. Tons of examples in history.
This 'rapefest' was not at all unique. Tons of examples in history.
According to Magz - Russia has not learned it's lesson or been held accountable for war crimes which contributed to Putin's decision to invade Ukraine (leading to rapes)
According to the OP - Russian soldiers have a tradition of raping women
<chuckle>
I was emphatically sarcastic.
If you recall, I said:
Quote:
The brave Russian military tradition continues today.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=409725#p9166884
How on earth could you have missed that?
And yes, it is allowed to happen in these modern times.
But please don't misrepresent what I have said...
That tactic doesn't work on me. I am allergic to hay.
I *explicitly* pointed the finger at the Russian army *hierarchy*.
If you are convinced that "Modern Western Armies" engage in this barbaric "tradition", I would like to see some reliable sources.
11 Dec 2022, 8:21 pm
Jakki wrote:
Yes it was important to single out , “about worthiness and blonde women “…… only posting citing race/appearance of women in this entire thread . And the concept of being worthy. Especially given the issue you were raising about the Use “R” as a general tool of Warfare Throughout history or On a apparent Universal basis . .
(Your writing does not seem to give the appearance of much sensitivity on the topic . Regarding Women.)
And the concept of being worthy. Especially given the issue you were raising about the Use “R” as a general tool of Warfare Throughout history or On a apparent Universal basis . .(Your writing does not seem to give the appearance of much sensitivity on the topic . Regarding Women.)
Ya think?
11 Dec 2022, 8:23 pm
magz wrote:
I find it unfair that you introduce race to it when we're talking about our family histories. Whataboutism again.
It just happens that people indigenous to Europe look the way they look, so attrocities that happen in Europe have in majority "white" people on both sides, the perpetrators and the victims, many of both blond.
You accuse people of really bad things when we just try to explain our own family histories.
Of course, attrocities of Red Army weren't the only example of weaponized rape, just like the Holocaust wasn't the only genocide. Are you aware of what Boko Haram has done to thousands of Nigerian girls? And that once these girls have been liberated by Nigerian authorities, they're subjected to forced abortions?
These horrors are all around the world and one does not invalidate the other.
Would you keep talking to a Holocaust survivor that he shouldn't whine because Rwanda and Khmer Rouge?
It just happens that people indigenous to Europe look the way they look, so attrocities that happen in Europe have in majority "white" people on both sides, the perpetrators and the victims, many of both blond.
You accuse people of really bad things when we just try to explain our own family histories.
Of course, attrocities of Red Army weren't the only example of weaponized rape, just like the Holocaust wasn't the only genocide. Are you aware of what Boko Haram has done to thousands of Nigerian girls? And that once these girls have been liberated by Nigerian authorities, they're subjected to forced abortions?
These horrors are all around the world and one does not invalidate the other.
Would you keep talking to a Holocaust survivor that he shouldn't whine because Rwanda and Khmer Rouge?
11 Dec 2022, 8:36 pm
11 Dec 2022, 8:50 pm
naturalplastic wrote:
Pepe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
What exactly is the issue being discussed?
This 'rapefest' was not at all unique. Tons of examples in history.
This 'rapefest' was not at all unique. Tons of examples in history.
I am talking about modern times.
You need to read the relevant posts.
If you need me to klarify the context further, simply ask.
Well duhhhhh...
Thats what I am doing. Asking to klarify. Rather than wade through 20 pages of posts.
Modern times?
Well there is Pakistani army in Bangladesh in the 1970s. And there was the Japanese army during months long "Rape of Nanking" in 1937 during the Japanese war of aggression in China that would later merge with WWII. The later was both a 'rapefest' and a murderfest- that cost the lives of more Chinese civilians than the number of Japanese civilians who died at Hiroshima eight years later.
Are any of those nations considered "Western" countries?
I think you need to read more posts.
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11 Dec 2022, 9:44 pm
Pepe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Pepe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
What exactly is the issue being discussed?
This 'rapefest' was not at all unique. Tons of examples in history.
This 'rapefest' was not at all unique. Tons of examples in history.
I am talking about modern times.
You need to read the relevant posts.
If you need me to klarify the context further, simply ask.
Well duhhhhh...
Thats what I am doing. Asking to klarify. Rather than wade through 20 pages of posts.
Modern times?
Well there is Pakistani army in Bangladesh in the 1970s. And there was the Japanese army during months long "Rape of Nanking" in 1937 during the Japanese war of aggression in China that would later merge with WWII. The later was both a 'rapefest' and a murderfest- that cost the lives of more Chinese civilians than the number of Japanese civilians who died at Hiroshima eight years later.
Are any of those nations considered "Western" countries?
I think you need to read more posts.
Indeed. Those things are by no means any justification. But it does show how wartime rape becomes normalized in societies.
12 Dec 2022, 3:49 am
AngelRho wrote:
Pepe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Pepe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
What exactly is the issue being discussed?
This 'rapefest' was not at all unique. Tons of examples in history.
This 'rapefest' was not at all unique. Tons of examples in history.
I am talking about modern times.
You need to read the relevant posts.
If you need me to klarify the context further, simply ask.
Well duhhhhh...
Thats what I am doing. Asking to klarify. Rather than wade through 20 pages of posts.
Modern times?
Well there is Pakistani army in Bangladesh in the 1970s. And there was the Japanese army during months long "Rape of Nanking" in 1937 during the Japanese war of aggression in China that would later merge with WWII. The later was both a 'rapefest' and a murderfest- that cost the lives of more Chinese civilians than the number of Japanese civilians who died at Hiroshima eight years later.
Are any of those nations considered "Western" countries?
I think you need to read more posts.
Indeed. Those things are by no means any justification. But it does show how wartime rape becomes normalized in societies.
Do you find it "normal" these days?
I certainly don't.
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