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09 Dec 2022, 2:11 pm

In the past I've posted quotes and excerpts from Mencken and Machiavelli, but here are two from the opposite end of the cultural spectrum:

G. K. Chesterton wrote:
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. Even when the revolutionist might himself repent of his revolution, the traditionalist is already defending it as part of his tradition. Thus we have two great types — the advanced person who rushes us into ruin, and the retrospective person who admires the ruins. He admires them especially by moonlight, not to say moonshine. Each new blunder of the progressive or prig becomes instantly a legend of immemorial antiquity for the snob. This is called the balance, or mutual check, in our Constitution.


G. K. Chesterton wrote:
When a religious scheme is shattered…it is not merely the vices that are let loose. The vices are, indeed, let loose, and they wander and do damage. But the virtues are let loose also; and the virtues wander more wildly, and the virtues do more terrible damage. The modern world is full of the old Christian virtues gone mad. The virtues have gone mad because they have been isolated from each other and are wandering alone. Thus some scientists care for truth; and their truth is pitiless. Thus some humanitarians only care for pity; and their pity (I am sorry to say) is often untruthful.



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11 Dec 2022, 12:07 am

He sounds depressed.



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11 Dec 2022, 10:38 pm

I get what he's saying.

In the first quote - pack enough corruption and mistakes via incompetence tightly together, pretend your trying to forge a mistake-diamond, and some accidentally correct fusion might create a solid structure, and that's been the progress of law - not reason but simply holes in corruption and incompetence that couldn't be corrected because they created a self-reconciling logic by accident. Otherwise progressives boldly make new mistakes while conservatives defend those already made.

For Christian virtues unleashed - John Gray talks about that a lot. Secular humanism as a Christian heresy, Communism as a Christian heresy, one could say Transhumanism is a Gnostic heresy. The second of the three killed tens of millions, the first may have done similar damage indirectly if it helped justify colonialism, the third remains to be seen but could probably make both of the former blush if given enough latitude.


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11 Dec 2022, 11:03 pm

Christianity was invoked to justify colonialism more often than "secular humanism". The Victorians saw themselves as spreading bathtubs and Christianity to the great unwashed. And secular humanism didnt exist until the 18th century anyway -after western colonialism had already been underway for 250 years. Though you could argue that Marxism was an offshoot of 'secular humanism' - then lay the deaths from Communism at the feet of secular humanism THAT indirect way I suppose.