Labour to win next UK general election?

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Vote share wise 2017 was an exception to that . However seats won/vote share was poor then.

I think the Tories have just moved to the right which should leave the centre ground for Labour to win in 2024. Labour conference is next week.

I more get the impression that the Tories have lost confidence and daren't do anything too obviously right-wing. The housing minister is currently trying to make it illegal for landlords to evict tenants who have done nothing wrong. Not that it'll do the Tories any good. They'll get the blame for all these price increases, and as you say, Labour will very likely win.

The Tories & Jeremy Hunt have recently, effectively reminded people that they are at war with the disabled.

Lurching to the right seems to be the forte of the Conservative party.

I remain bemused regarding how people who have limited resources which are further depleted by the redistribution of wealth upwards continually vote for the people who drive this process.

It seems like an odd kind of self harming behaviour to me.

Unfortunately the Labour Party as has been said in previous posts does present as 'Tory light' - a process that has been going on since New Labour in the 90's albeit with a brief interesting 'hiccup' during Corbins brief tenure. I didnt agree with all of Corbins policies but I like him as he actually has opinions as opposed to someone following a PR script.

What past Labour politicians with some backbone and conviction like Tony Benn would make of this state of affairs would make interesting reading.

Sadly there is no real socialist party to vote for now in the UK.

I guess that I will vote Labour when the time comes as the lesser of two evils.

Though, when you choose the lesser of two evils, you are still choosing an evil.......

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Yep. The Labour Party were last truly socialist, as a political force, probably in the 1970's.

That's exactly how I see it. It's so frustrating.

I've seen people on the news getting interviewed outside food banks and they're still in full support of the Tory party. It's absolutely unbelievable.

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I am a lib dem member but will be tactically voting Labour next year to get rid of this scummy right wing mob.

The sooner the F ing better.

There are the Corbyn loving pseudo-socialists who'll happily enable the Tories, until they get all they demand. They have no qualms about the damage that'll be done to the disabled,disadvantaged, poor, and vulnerable in doing so Then there are true socialists who believe in working within the party to make a stronger case for socialism, and how it can help to improve things for people.

Labour's left has repeatedly made the tactical blunder of trying to force feed voters too much socialism too soon . A steady approach, gradually building the case for more socialism, would have been far better.

I think this is a bit ahistorical. The 1970s were the time of the postwar consensus, but that's different to socialism - nobody thinks Harold Macmillan was a socialist.

Harold Wilson was on the right of the Labour Party - as, for that matter, was Attlee, although it's hard to argue that Attlee wasn't the most left-wing PM we've ever had.

The Labour left likes to retrospectively claim Attlee and Wilson as their own, but the only leaders they've ever really been happy with were Foot and Corbyn.

I didn't live in the 1970's and was born in the eighties, so I don't know about Harold Wilson being right of the Labour Party. It is difficult to gauge such things from historical research alone, without knowing instinctively what the political climate was back then.

What I do know is that by today's standards (looking at his history online) Wilson was a lot more socialist than today's Labour Party (pretty much most people today who mean anything in the party), and that despite enacting some less than socialist policies in his final fourth ministry as prime minister, he effectively continued at least one major socialist policy, which was socialist higher education.

He continued backing The Open University (higher education without entry barriers), right through until his fourth term, after presiding over the OU and its launch in his second term.

Distance learning for the masses for innovative way back in 1969, and the OU's values championed egalitarianism and equal opportunity. And it wasn't thousands and thousands of pounds for a single, annual course as it is in the current day (courses that hold weight and which are internationally recognised qualifications).

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Hopefully £13 well spent and I donate to the Lib Dems too. Lets get rid of the Tory right wing scum.

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Here's what i would have as my top 5 priorities for an incoming Labour government:

Reduce immigration down to <100,000 net per year. Process asylum claims in France before they get here so no need for boats.

Massive social housing programme.

A rise in national insurance of 5% to support the NHS and social care.

A move to single transferrable vote in elections

Making it easier for people to get back into work by protecting their sickness/disability benefits for one year after they try a job.

Those all sounds reasonable priorities.

Though I feel like The Labour Party won't take immigration levels seriously.

They can't do much worse than the Tories. It's got higher since we left the EU.

According to the web search results, UK immigration since 1997 has been a topic of much debate and controversy. Some of the main points are:

The Labour government that came to power in 1997 relaxed immigration controls and allowed more people from outside the European Union to enter the UK for work, study, family reunion or asylum123.
Net migration to the UK by non-Britons quadrupled from around 50,000 per year before 1997 to around 200,000 per year on average between 1997 and 201023. This was unprecedented in the UK’s history and resulted in a doubling of the foreign-born population from 4.6 million in 2001 to 9.4 million in 2018/192.
Some of the benefits of immigration include increased diversity, cultural enrichment, economic growth, innovation and skills. Some of the challenges include pressure on public services, infrastructure, housing, social cohesion, security and identity12.
Immigration has been a major issue in British politics and public opinion, especially since the 2016 referendum on leaving the European Union. The Conservative government that took office in 2010 pledged to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands, but failed to achieve this target. The current government has introduced a new points-based system for immigration that aims to attract skilled workers and limit low-skilled migration14.