That election.
Since the election cannot be overturned, the deadline beyond which authorities have to keep ballots etc. has long since passed, and of course, the would-be usurper, the criminal mastermind - topless moose-hat wearing Q-shaman is in a maximum security dungeon alongside Hannibal Lecter - perhaps we can have a less desperate and angry conversation about the oddities of the American 2020 election.
This article, while unapologetically conclusive, has a nice summary of some of the oddities that twigged my nose on the day and demolishes some myths and media taglines that many surely still believe. It references this book frequently https://www.amazon.com/Debunked-auditor ... 1645720756 which I haven't read, but seems like it might be worth doing so at some point.
The 2020 Election WAS Fraudulent—and GA GOP Leadership (Among Others) Are Complicit.
For anyone not a rabid Democrat, late on election night November 3rd/4th 2020, the strong stench of fraud swirled across America:
Pennsylvania, 56-43, a lead of just under 700,000 votes. Georgia, 51-48, a lead of nearly 120,000. Michigan, 53-45, a lead of nearly 295,000. Wisconsin, 51-47, a lead of more than 116,000.
The impression then was given by the MSM that counting was stopping for the night. Subsequently, this was disputed. Some stoppages were partial, in some cases all that was stopped, for some reason, was the reporting of the vote.
[US election: What happened in key battleground states on election night? by Frank Chung, News.com.au, November 22, 2020. Links in original]
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But when reporting/counting resumed, Biden suddenly jumped into the lead. Eventually he was declared the winner with these majorities:
Pennsylvania 81,660 votes
Georgia 11,719 votes
Michigan 154,188 votes
Wisconsin 20,608 votes
I believe I have watched every Presidential election count to the death since 1968. I cannot recall any with such a hiatus in counting/reporting, nor one with such decisive late reversals.
Very many others held the same opinion. They would very likely have joined with President Trump in being suspicious. This crucial subjective aspect has been largely memory-holed by the MSM.
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On further contemplation, the aroma of the 2020 election got worse. On November 23, 2020, The Federalist published a seminal article by J.B Shurk:
While Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton’s 2016 totals in every urban county in the United States, he outperformed her in the metropolitan areas of Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Even more surprising, the former VP put up a record haul of votes, despite Democrats’ general failures in local House and state legislative seats across the nation.
…the former VP managed to gather a record number of votes while consistently trailing President Trump in measures of voter enthusiasm. Biden was so savvy that he motivated voters unenthusiastic about his campaign to vote for him in record numbers.
[5 More Ways Joe Biden Magically Outperformed Election Norms]
The Federalist’s Shurk highlighted historical anomalies:
For Biden to lose these key bellwethers by notable margins and still win the national election is newsworthy…
Even more unbelievably, Biden is on his way to winning the White House after having lost almost every historic bellwether county across the country. The Wall Street Journal and The Epoch Times independently analyzed the results of 19 counties around the United States that have nearly perfect presidential voting records over the last 40 years. President Trump won every single bellwether county, except Clallam County in Washington…. Bellwether counties overwhelmingly chose President Trump, but Biden found a path to victory anyway.
Randy DeSoto noted in The Western Journal that “Donald Trump was pretty much the only incumbent president in U.S. history to lose his re-election while his own party gained seats in the House of Representatives.” Now that’s a Biden miracle!
In essence, the 2020 election saw a radical departure from normal American voting patterns. Certain Democratic areas produced hugely more votes, both absolutely and relative to other areas, than normal. Was this just otherwise undiscernible but unprecedented enthusiasm for the Biden/Harris ticket. Or could fraud be involved?
To my mind, the most valuable contribution to evaluation the question of 2020 election fraud is Debunked?: An auditor reviews the 2020 election-and the lessons learned by Joseph Fried. The publisher is Republic Book Publishers, in case Amazon or Barnes & Noble are pressured into dropping it.
Debunked was ignored by the media including supposedly “conservative” platforms. (An honorable exception was FrontPageMag.com’s Auditing Biden’s ‘Victory’ by Bruce Bawer March 23, 2023).
At present it languishes at 102,377 in Amazon book sales.
Although lucidly and even wittily written, this is a grueling read. Partly because it is highly statistical but, at least speaking for myself, I found wading through the flood of brazen dishonesty that Fried reveals to be debilitating.
One currently valuable service Fried performs: refuting the lie that Trump lost all his legal challenges.
(P267) See https://election-integrity.info/2020_Election_Cases.htm
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Another key debating point that Fried obliterates: the oft-quoted assertion by Christopher Krebs, formerly Director of Cybersecurity for Federal Government that:
Joint Statement from Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council & the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees, November 12, 2020
Subsequently, Krebs has been a go-to talking head for the MSM when it needs an apparently impressive disparager of President Trump’s election arguments.
Fried cheerfully points out that, in a brutal Senate hearing on December 16, 2020, Krebs unwillingly admitted he was only referring to cyber security—not to election fraud as a whole (P273). Fried then notes that, on Krebs’ watch as Director of Cybersecurity, there were two massive cybersecurity breaches. One directly involved the 2020 election: Iran hackers stole US voter data, posed as Proud Boys in effort to influence 2020 election. The other, discussed in [The Untold Story of the Boldest Supply-Chain Hack Ever, by Kim Zetter, WIRED, May 22,2023] was on a staggering scale and was detected by a private sector company—not the Feds.
Krebs clearly needed a new profession.
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Reported in Fried’s book are myriad questionable events and dubious actions by Election officials. But the single most consequential issue is: the security of mail-in ballots.
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...some 68.1 million votes were cast by mail in 2020, 39.5 million more than in 2016.
That is a lot of votes about the integrity of which to be so certain.
At this point it is worthwhile to consider what Joseph Fried means by an “audit.”
An audit is not just counting. An important aspect is looking out for anomalous numbers, which might suggest questionable activity.
Such a case occurred with the overseas military vote in Maricopa County AZ (subject to the Uniformed And Overseas Civilian Absentee Voting Act, or UOCAVA). In 2016 there were 1,600 such ballots, but in 2020 there were 9,600. They went 95% for Biden. The net 8,000 votes for Biden compare with his state-wide “victory” margin of 10,457 (P78-9).
Such a glaring anomaly cried out for investigation. So did a large number of other oddities. But, as Fried documents in detail (P 79-106), Maricopa County fought furiously to prevent this, enlisting the Biden Justice Department and a couple of Congresscritters. They were successful.
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Georgia’s 2020 election was a shambles.
Fried summarizes a few choice items, including
- Although it takes at least one second to scan a ballot, there are over 4,000 ballots with precisely the same timestamp—to the second. Not possible.
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The quite extraordinary aspect of the Georgia election scandal: the State GOP leadership is furiously opposed to any investigation or subsequent reform.
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That rosy assessment, however, masked an ugly truth inside his agency’s own files: A contractor handpicked to monitor election counting in Fulton County wrote a 29-page memo back in November outlining the “massive” election integrity failures and mismanagement that he witnessed in the Atlanta-area’s election centers.
The bombshell report, constructed like a minute-by-minute diary, cited a litany of high-risk problems such as the double-counting of votes, insecure storage of ballots, possible violations of voter privacy, the mysterious removal of election materials at a vote collection warehouse, and the suspicious movement of “too many” ballots on Election Day.
The State Farm Arena, where the Fulton County Votes were counted, was of course the scene of the infamous sending-home of the GOP observers while counting was ongoing, and the boarding-up of windows.
All this is disputed of course. What cannot be disputed is, in Fried’s words:
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On the infamous Trump/Raffensperger call, in which Trump showed an impressive mastery of the details, Fried says
Fried has much more to say about the Georgia election, all of it infuriating, and much to say about the elections he surveys in the other states.
Broadly speaking, it is all the same story. In the interests of space, I will simply pick out some distinguishing elements:
- Pennsylvania Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy Boockvar certified its election, although in Fried’s words:
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- Michigan’s Democrats smashed their way to “victory” by simple brute force.
As noted above, Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson lawlessly mailed out ballots to the entire seriously out-of-date voter list and the repulsive Michigan Attorney General, Dana Nessel, litigated aggressively to stop any citizen investigation of the election. In the Detroit area election training sessions were apparently geared to defeating Republican Observers
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- Wisconsin supplied a particularly fine example of Democrat/MSM mendacity.
Fried says:
The auditors disregarded the omitted ballots and they only examined the ballots they were allowed to see. Based on this review, the auditors concluded that Wisconsin did a very good job of managing the election, and that Joe Biden won it. Wisconsin legislators and the mainstream media celebrated the findings. (P3)
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All that and more... I think I will grab a copy of that book when I have the time.
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There was nothing surprising about this switch over time and it has been explained countless times:
Big cities took more time to count their ballots than rural areas, and, additionally, West Coast was generally late to the party for such a prosaic reason as time zone.
Different timing of different communities. That's all. AFAIK, it happens on every election, of course not always resulting in switching the leader.
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Big cities took more time to count their ballots than rural areas, and, additionally, West Coast was generally late to the party for such a prosaic reason as time zone.
Different timing of different communities. That's all. AFAIK, it happens on every election, of course not always resulting in switching the leader.
That is indeed a possible or partial explanation for the "surprise" turnaround in the early hours of the morning - one which was actually predicted before the election even took place. But this was not the only strange thing about this election. You might be surprised to learn that the article does in fact continue after the introductory paragraphs...
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Works of fiction are often pretty surprising.
This election was the most reviewed and re-reviewed one in the US history and nothing substantial was found - just random irregularities of small scale and random directions, something expected on this scale and incapable of influencing the results anyway.
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Magz, please either engage properly and at least read the thing or do sod off somewhere else, preferable into the range of Russian artillery.
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I am within the range of Russian artillery. There are several kinds of missiles that can easily reach here from Kralovec (
) or Russian units in Belarus.
The article authors have a problem that some demographics that did not vote in 2016 voted in 2020 - and almost all of them voted for Biden.
How about people who normally didn't care much about politics but decided to vote against Trump after he displayed his, ahem, unique presidency style?
Mail-in ballots were mostly cast by people who feared spread of covid. No surprise their number spiked in 2020 and mostly Biden supporters chose this way of voting.
This election was reviewed and re-reviewed countless times. Casting the same empty accusations again and again is a very primitive form of propaganda.
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Opening line of the article rather tells on itself.
I'm not going to go through the entire Gish gallop. The first thing that stands out to me is the "historical precedent" stuff.
https://xkcd.com/2383/
Specifically the author talks about Florida and Ohio being great bellwethers, and, yeah, they are. You know what other two states are just as good? Nevada and New Mexico. Trump lost both of them in both 2016 and 2020. So was Trump's success fraudulent because he didn't win Nevada and New Mexico?
The most laughable bit is the description of the Trump/Raffensperger call
The most suspicious thing is the claim that there were more ballots cast than people voted in Pennsylvania. That just seems implausible, doesn't it? Well, I looked it up, and the Pennsylvania Department of State provided an answer: https://wjactv.com/news/local/pa-republ ... ont-add-up
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Some of this is going to be a repeat of what was posted while I was writing this.
I have never believed the 2020 election was the most secure ever that is just hyperbole.
Mail in ballots were not involved in the 1960 election which even the mainstream media acknowledges was stolen. That was done the old fashioned way by Chicago mayor Richard Daley’s political machine, “dead people” voting, that type of thing.
If I were going to steal an election I would not do it by making it apparently obvious by having my side fall way behind before we win. The “obvious” explanation is not always correct but in this case I think it is. In 2020 to put it simply Republican voters were more macho about COVID and Democrats more fearful meaning Dems were going to be more likely to use mail in ballots then Republicans and their votes would be counted later. The Democrats supporting mail in ballots was not out of concern about lives or health but about votes. But that is politics, not criminal. Related, internet scuttlebutt is that the “uptick” in COVID is the beginning of “Plandemic 2.0” with the purpose of more mail in ballots guaranteeing a Democrat win. Whether having lockdown 2.0 or more likely a failed attempt a reintroducing mandated mitigation measures during a Democrat administration is beneficial to the cause of electing Democrats is questionable.
Where the authors lose me is their allegation of massive Republican involvement in their own party losing. It is harder for your state or locality to get money if the opposite party is in control of the federal government meaning your own chances of being relented are less.
The increase in turnout was not about Biden, to put it mildly he has never been an inspiring personality, it was and is animus towards Trump. People always say they hate negative advertising but political professionals keep on doing it because it works. With Trump it was and is the usual negative voting motivation on steroids.
The more people involved in a conspiracy the harder it is to keep it secret. We are seeing that now with the Biden’s.
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Obviously I can’t comment of the validity of the ban. That being said this is unfortunate because the idea that the 2020 election was rigged has widespread support and it needs an advocate here for better understanding where they are coming from.
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We need better advocates for holocaust denial, that the moon landings were fake and that dinosaur bones are just a Satanic hoax to fool the non-believers as well.
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We need better advocates for holocaust denial, that the moon landings were fake and that dinosaur bones are just a Satanic hoax to fool the non-believers as well.
Fortunately those conspiracy theories do not have the support of a very significant part of American public and the clear front runner for the nomination of one or two major political parties.
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We need better advocates for holocaust denial, that the moon landings were fake and that dinosaur bones are just a Satanic hoax to fool the non-believers as well.
Fortunately those conspiracy theories do not have the support of a very significant part of American public and the clear front runner for the nomination of one or two major political parties.
Being popular doesn't mean we need to platform advocates for a specific conspiracy theory, it's a good case for why that conspiracy theory needs thoroughly debunked.
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Welcome back magz, hope you are well ![]()
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There are a lot of questionable issues about that election that I haven't seen a viable explanation for. Such as, how were supposedly mailed in ballots, that we counted, not have creases in them? If they did not have a crease, they were never folded and would not have been able to fit in the required envelope to be mailed.
