Muhammad in Syriac script is…

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This is « Muhammad » in Arabic script, and it is pronounced as « Mohammad »




Mohammad in a simpler font:



And this is « Jesus » (in black minus the red cross) in Syriac, pronounced as Yesouh (english speakers may be more familiar with the word « Yeshua »):




Notice the striking similarities? It can’t be a coincidence.

There are few theories on this, but there’s yet no definite explanation.
One theory says that the word « Mohammad » mentioned in the Quran refers actually to Jesus - such theory reinforces the theory of the (non-Trinitarian) Christian roots of Islam.

Last edited by The_Face_of_Boo on 24 Sep 2023, 4:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.

That’s interesting. They certainly look very similar.

I always thought that Muhammad was less cuddly than Jesus. Of course, Jesus wasn’t much of a family man. He IS someone you’d want to invite to a wedding, though.

Apparently some historians believe Jesus was a family man & that he was married to Mary Magdalene, and that early Christians wrote her place as Jesus's wife out of history, as a means to diminish the power and influence of women in the church.

I'm not sure I believe that though. Who knows?

All of that is just supposition. There’s no clear proof that he even existed. I think he was a real person but very different from the Biblical accounts.

Which historians? Other than Dan Brown of course.

Very impressive of him to live another 600 years before founding another religion. Or do you think that maybe a man born roughly at the turn of the 1st century might not have been alive in the 7th century.

Mohammad was heartless, see? No heart…

I noticed that too.

How that one detail IS oddly similar to the convention of how we westerners draw valentine type hearts. Dont know if it represents a heart or not.

https://www.history.com/news/mary-magdalene-jesus-wife-prostitute-saint

There are a lot of articles on this, each yielding different information, I provided just one above.

A few quotes from the article:

"On the other, some early Christian texts depicted Mary Magdalene as not just a mere follower, but Jesus’s trusted companion—which some interpreted to mean his wife."

"Mary Magdalene is among Jesus’s early followers,” says Robert Cargill, assistant professor of classics and religious studies at the University of Iowa and editor of Biblical Archaeology Review. “She was named in the Gospels, so she obviously was important. There were apparently hundreds, if not thousands, of followers of Jesus, but we don't know most of their names. So the fact that she's named is a big deal."

"Despite—or perhaps because of—Mary Magdalene’s clear importance in the Bible, some early Western church leaders sought to downplay her influence by portraying her as a sinner, specifically a prostitute."

"There are many scholars who argue that because Jesus empowered women to such an extent early in his ministry, it made some of the men who would lead the early church later on uncomfortable,” Cargill explains. “And so there were two responses to this. One was to turn her into a prostitute."

^ That seems like a lot of supposition to me, especially given the extremely limited evidence/questionable source material they’re using. Most of the important Bible characters in the Gospels are male. Even Jesus’s mother isn’t given much attention which kind of sucks since she was impregnated by God and all. He probably didn’t even take her to dinner first. a**hole.

A big problem is that the Gospels were written decades after Jesus’s death and not by eyewitnesses, so it’s hard to decipher fact from fiction. There’s not much in the way of proof. My quotes are from Bart Ehrman - a reputable, academic, Bible scholar.

Historians think the first book written was Mark:



https://www.bartehrman.com/when-were-th ... s-written/

I see much of the Bible as a collection of tall tales that got bigger and bigger over time since nothing was recorded when it allegedly happened. It was also influenced by local legends, myths, literature, and cults. (For example, legends about immaculate conceptions/being impregnated by gods already existed.) Scribes may have adjusted the narratives to suit their own purposes and to make it jive with stuff in the Old Testament, too, especially supposed prophecies.

Jesus is one of the less objectionable Bible characters, but he’s not without his flaws/problems.

Whether it was back in my college days, or during Bible study at church, I had always been taught that Islam had been greatly influenced by both Christianity and Judaism. I thought that wasn't a moot point.

Within two generations of the death of Christ the Christian movement was already splintering into doctrinal factions as it grew. In late Roman times there were competing sects of Christianity. Some were farther removed in theology from Christianity as we know it today than modern Islam is ... from Christianity as we know it today. Like the Gnostics (who believed that the Universe was made by demiurge, and not by God himself...a clumsy handyman whom God hired to hang the drywall- and he messed up and made creation corrupt).

Two groups of interest were the Arian Christians (nothing to do with Aryan with a Y) named after the Bishop Arian of Alexandria who held that Jesus was a prophet of God (like Moses et al) but not himself divine. Just a mortal man like Moses. They were opposed by the proto orthodox who believed in the Trinity and that Jesus was the divine virgin born son of god.

An even earlier split, only a couple of generations after Christ, when the Jesus movement was still tiny and within Judea was over the issue of preaching to Gentiles. Paul was all about "preaching to the Gentiles" and was okay with decoupling Christianity with Judaism (to make it an easier sell) by allowing Gentiles to convert without them having to be circuncised and keeping dietary laws. The opposite extreme were the Ebionites who clung to Mosaic law, and though they allowed Gentiles to convert they demanded that even Gentile converts had to submit to circuncision and the rest of the rules about diet etc (ie they viewed Christianity as a reformed form of Judaism ergo being a Jew or becoming a Jew was vital to being Christian in in their view). Paul paved the way for Christianity to spread westward to Rome, and eventually to the whole world. The Ebionites presumably went extinct, but some say that they led to Islam.

And I suppose that its possible that the Arab founders of Islam might have been influenced by both the Ebionites and by the Arians into creating what they thought of as a correct form of Christianity. A form that was non trinitarian and adhered to Mosaic dietary laws etc. So the emphasis might have been on Jesus for a few generations before the emphasis switched to Mohammed as the main prophet.

^ It is said that Khadija, Mo’s first wife, was an Ebionite or Nestorian.
Her first cousin, Waraqa Bin Nawfal was a priest of this sect.