Hamas attack exposes bankruptcy of the far left and right
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Cathy Young for Newsday
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Expressions of solidarity with Hamas by large portions of the left have been widely seen as a “masks off” moment. The raids which began Saturday and were conducted with truly unspeakable cruelty were hailed as “resistance” by the oppressed by a number of American academics and activists.
At a rally in Manhattan organized by the Democratic Socialists of America, a group that includes progressive members of Congress as well as local politicians, a speaker cheered the Hamas attack on a music festival where at least 260 young people were slaughtered and many other taken hostage. (Several group members, including New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, have finally condemned the cheerleading.) Several Black Lives Matter chapters shared an image celebrating the Hamas paratroopers who attacked the concert. Student groups at Harvard and other top universities issued statements blaming the murderous attacks entirely on Israel.
Many people have said that such shocking reactions from the left reveal progressive antisemitism. But while some American Hamas sympathizers are no doubt antisemitic, the real source of those sympathies on the left is the mindset that neatly divides the world into “oppressors” and “oppressed” and labels industrialized liberal democracies as “the oppressor.” In this calculus, which ignores the complex history of the Arab-Israeli conflict, Israelis are the evil colonizers and Palestinians are the righteous, victimized “people of color.” Never mind that many Israeli Jews are Black and brown people driven out, or rescued, from Middle Eastern and African countries.
While the left is discredited, so is the “America First” populist right. The current crisis makes especially obvious the need for American leadership on the international scene, in alliance with other liberal democracies.
Republican attempts to blame the attacks on Biden are irresponsible and morally repugnant. Donald Trump’s disjointed and self-centered remarks about the crisis have also been a reminder that at this point, Trumpism is not a legitimate political movement but a cult — one that cannot be allowed back into positions of power.
Right-wing populism has also taken a hit in Israel, where Benjamin Netanyahu’s policies helped splinter Israeli society on the eve of the attacks — and almost certainly contributed to the poor preparedness that cost far too many lives.
The liberal order rejected by both the right and left remains the best guarantee of security, peace, and human rights, domestically and internationally. In the current crisis, both the United States and Israel represent that order. Illiberal forces are exposed as enablers of evil.
I have seen progressives especially progressive Jews waking up about “wokeness”. Having felt that mindset is bad for the Jews for several years I don’t know how to feel about their shock. Schadenfreude is inappropriate due to the consequences. For one thing better late then never might be wrong, it might too late. The other thing is that there is a plausible reason why this won’t last. What happened a week ago will fade because nightmare in Gaza will be what is happening now.
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I'm not surprised, I've known what the left really are like for a long time, but hopefully more people who've supported them by default or because they hide behind innocuous sounding organizations will be woken up to who they've gotten in bed with.
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I didn't know much about what left and right means in American politics. Left are the terrorists. Who is on the right?
No idea what is left or right in UK politics either. I just know parties. They call them parties because their members like going to parties I think as they often meet with food etc. What started off as a party must have got all political-like, and that is how we have the parties today?
America probably has tnesame. Buying are some parties left as some are right. Is it terrible they like or the food or dancing?
I am not into parties myself. Avoid them political or not!
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The difference between the left and right parties in the UK is the food they serve.
Left = jelly & blancmange , sausage rolls and cheese and pineapple on a stick.
Right = triangular salmon sandwiches with the crusts cut off, vol au vents and scones with clotted cream
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Yes. I don't get this left and right stuff. Easier to call parties by name.
I like making up theories as they make sense of life in a serious political world.
I look at behaviour. I don't think I have seen a sensibly behaved party yet in the UK or in the USA. Some of them need to stand in the naughty corner. (Not allowed to smack their behinds any more!)
The problem with political parties is they are too much like children. When they are quiet and well behaved they are up to something! ![]()
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The difference between the left and right parties in the UK is the food they serve.
Left = jelly & blancmange , sausage rolls and cheese and pineapple on a stick.
Right = triangular salmon sandwiches with the crusts cut off, vol au vents and scones with clotted cream
Ah. Not keen on blamongue. Love salmon but need the crusts to hold the sandwiches together.
If I was an MP, I would bring my own sandwiches!
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I like making up theories as they make sense of life in a serious political world.
I look at behaviour. I don't think I have seen a sensibly behaved party yet in the UK or in the USA. Some of them need to stand in the naughty corner. (Not allowed to smack their behinds any more!)
The problem with political parties is they are too much like children. When they are quiet and well behaved they are up to something!
The left and right are made up of different parties, though, although there ARE two main ones.
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The difference between the left and right parties in the UK is the food they serve.
Left = jelly & blancmange , sausage rolls and cheese and pineapple on a stick.
Right = triangular salmon sandwiches with the crusts cut off, vol au vents and scones with clotted cream
Ah. Not keen on blamongue. Love salmon but need the crusts to hold the sandwiches together.
If I was an MP, I would bring my own sandwiches!
Your choice of food would suggest you are right wing but bringing your own sandwiches would suggest you are left wing.
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The difference between the left and right parties in the UK is the food they serve.
Left = jelly & blancmange , sausage rolls and cheese and pineapple on a stick.
Right = triangular salmon sandwiches with the crusts cut off, vol au vents and scones with clotted cream
Ah. Not keen on blamongue. Love salmon but need the crusts to hold the sandwiches together.
If I was an MP, I would bring my own sandwiches!
Your choice of food would suggest you are right wing but bringing your own sandwiches would suggest you are left wing.
Maybe I'm the body in the middle which controls both wings! Will need a head.
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And it was grudging, then she immediately pivoted to harping on the one bigot at a pro Israel rally she could find. The rest of the squad have been pretty similar.
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Where in the thread is anyone saying that?
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Interesting side note; the right has its own share of antisemites, but they're not downplaying or outright praising the Hamas atrocities, I suspect it's because they hate both sides where as the left only hates the one. (to be clear, I don't think the majority of the left wing foot dragging or Hamas praising is driven by antisemitism, I think that's a cheap shot, it feels ideological to me.)
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