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11 Oct 2023, 8:38 pm

With recent events a Bible scripture came to me "Let those in Judea flee to the mountains".

So I looked it up and found that the Gaza strip lies in its entirety in the westernmost part of the old Judean boundary.

So I looked up this scripture because it is easy to jump to conclusions here, with the terrible events which are happening. (If one sees where the attacks took place both in Israel and in Gaza pretty much all of it (Or most of it) lies in the old Judean boundary... This is a lot to take in!

So let's look at the scripture that came to me as examine what it says.



https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... be%20saved.

Now I honestly don't know where the mountains are. But when one thinks how people had to just quickly flee and one can say this for the people on both sides, and the destruction involved (Please read the scripture in the link or get a Bible and read. (Is Mathew 24 verse 15 onwards)) that things are looking that way!

One thing. They all need our prayers!


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11 Oct 2023, 8:47 pm

The event known as "Armageddon" is prophesied to take place on the Plains of Megiddo, in northern Israel near Kibbutz Megiddo, about 30 kilometres south-east of Haifa.

While not necessary to bring about the "Rapture" event, Armageddon will be a significant signpost for the prophesied End Times.

In Islamic theology, Armageddon is also mentioned in Hadith as the "Greatest Armageddon" or "Al-Malhama Al-Kubra" (the "Great Battle").

Personally, I have no great concern over such "prophesies", since history is rife with end-of-the-world "prophesies" that never came true.



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11 Oct 2023, 9:15 pm

I shortened and corrected a few words due to this stupid autopredictive text keyboard, and to get more to the point.

Only time will tell to be honest. This could be what is described as "Birth pangs". Or it could be the real deal. Armageddon is the valley where a huge battle is to take place. Napoleon said it was the perfect place for a battle. Quite when this will happen I do not know but the scale of the battle described is said to be massive.


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11 Oct 2023, 9:20 pm

I don't believe in any of it, but if it is true I'm obviously going to hell since I do things like wear at least two different kinds of fabric, eat cheeseburgers, being left-handed, and speaking my mind even though I'm female. And I'm a misotheist.

The human race is still more doomed than the dinosaurs, though. There's just no reason to do anything worthwhile anymore. Also it's my own generation's fault (Gen X) for having made so many movies and TV shows and video games about the world ending or the aftermath of it, that Gen Z has pretty much given up on life. I might be one of them trapped in a Gen X's body.



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11 Oct 2023, 9:24 pm

Whenever bad stuff is happening, people predict that the end is here. I don’t believe in the Bible, so I don’t believe in Bible prophecies.

What’s currently happening is horrific, though, but it’s not all that uncommon in terms of human history and experience.



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11 Oct 2023, 9:30 pm

Fnord wrote:
The event known as "Armageddon" is prophesied to take place on the Plains of Megiddo, in northern Israel near Kibbutz Megiddo, about 30 kilometres south-east of Haifa.

While not necessary to bring about the "Rapture" event, Armageddon will be a significant signpost for the prophesied End Times.

In Islamic theology, Armageddon is also mentioned in Hadith as the "Greatest Armageddon" or "Al-Malhama Al-Kubra" (the "Great Battle").

Personally, I have no great concern over such "prophesies", since history is rife with end-of-the-world "prophesies" that never came true.


As far as the so-called evangelicals are concerned, we are already living in the end times. They have been saying that for the past 66 years (my entire lifetime). Every time I run into These characters, I get told I’m going to Hell, because they are of the opinion that the Rapture will happen tomorrow, even though Scripture plainly says only God himself (not the Son, nor the Holy Ghost) knows when this will happen. I usually respond “Gottes seit ist die Allerbeste Seit.” (Roughly translated, God’s time is the best time.), which is also the title of J. S. Bach’s Funeral cantata. Most of the evangelicals don’t know when to shut up.

By the way, why do these ministers spread gloom and doom when the the ter evangelical, when translated from the Greek means “good news?”



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11 Oct 2023, 9:43 pm

MuddRM wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The event known as "Armageddon" is prophesied to take place on the Plains of Megiddo, in northern Israel near Kibbutz Megiddo, about 30 kilometres south-east of Haifa.

While not necessary to bring about the "Rapture" event, Armageddon will be a significant signpost for the prophesied End Times.

In Islamic theology, Armageddon is also mentioned in Hadith as the "Greatest Armageddon" or "Al-Malhama Al-Kubra" (the "Great Battle").

Personally, I have no great concern over such "prophesies", since history is rife with end-of-the-world "prophesies" that never came true.


As far as the so-called evangelicals are concerned, we are already living in the end times. They have been saying that for the past 66 years (my entire lifetime). Every time I run into These characters, I get told I’m going to Hell, because they are of the opinion that the Rapture will happen tomorrow, even though Scripture plainly says only God himself (not the Son, nor the Holy Ghost) knows when this will happen. I usually respond “Gottes seit ist die Allerbeste Seit.” (Roughly translated, God’s time is the best time.), which is also the title of J. S. Bach’s Funeral cantata. Most of the evangelicals don’t know when to shut up.

By the way, why do these ministers spread gloom and doom when the the ter evangelical, when translated from the Greek means “good news?”


In addition, I sometimes get the thought that the end will come just like the concluding lines of T. S. Eliot poem “The Hollow Men”:

“This is the way the world shall end,
Not with a bang but a whimper.”



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11 Oct 2023, 9:47 pm

MuddRM wrote:
By the way, why do these ministers spread gloom and doom when the the ter evangelical, when translated from the Greek means “good news?”
Because they need to convince people they’re miserable in order to buy their nonsense and to keep coming back, especially in demanding denominations. In my former church, at least the first half of the sermon was always about how bad things were, demonstrating why we needed God’s Kingdom and the message. It’s quite manipulative now that I think about it. :chin:



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11 Oct 2023, 10:00 pm

MuddRM wrote:
As far as the so-called evangelicals are concerned, we are already living in the end times. They have been saying that for the past 66 years . . .
It's closer to 2000 years, since the death of Jesus the Nazarene.

Christians are taught to behave more Christ-like because Jesus may return at any time and without warning.

By the time you hear the "Great Shout" or the "Trumpet Blast", the "Rapture Event" may already be over.



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13 Oct 2023, 4:08 am

Folks are fleeing from the flat areas of southern Israel where this happened, but....

Israelie civilians are fleeing to airports in the big cities on the Israeli coast.

Palestinian civilians flee to Gaza ...where they get trapped and are forced to remain. Gaza is also on the coastal lowlands.

Neither group is fleeing towards any kind of "mountains".



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13 Oct 2023, 5:11 am

Current events are not following the chronology laid out in the Bible, so it cannot really be said that "Biblical Events" are unfolding.



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14 Oct 2023, 6:15 am

Man that's just a bunch of hogwash some ancient people wrote down, so it likely does not mean much of anything these days. The only apocalypse that will happen is one of our own doing, it's just a self fullfilling prophecy of human kind saying f**k you to that planet they live on and destroying it with hopefully finding enough tech to move to another planet before the sun eventually super-novas and destroys half this solar system including our planet anyways.


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14 Oct 2023, 8:53 am

I'd be surprised if the people who are living in fear for their lives have either the time or the inclination to look to the bible to make any kind of comparison


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14 Oct 2023, 8:55 am

I'd probably be inclined to abandon religion altogether if I wasn't already a heathen in such a scenario. I wouldn't want to worship a god who allows stuff like this to happen.



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14 Oct 2023, 10:27 am



King James New Authorized Version, Numbers 31

"31 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Avenge the children of Israel
of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people. 3 And
Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war
and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the Lord of Midian."

You Can Go on to Read How The lord Spake Unto Moses, Justifying the
Harming, Raping, Maiming, And Killing of the Men And Women; Saving 32,000
close to Puberty Virgin Daughters Named Booty Along with the Rest of the Pillage

to Sex Slave

At Their Pleasure

And Breed Like Cattle As They Please

Yet What's Really Changed in the Middle

East Since Then on 'Both Sides;' Even Over Here

After Being Attacked on 911, Using the Same Old

Same Old Calling Iraq Part of An Evil Empire To Be Destroyed

With All Kinds of Horror Inflicted on Innocents There As Well;

Made-Up God's And Religion Have Been Used As Justification for

Holy Wars There And Here and Most Everywhere; And If It Isn't Religion

Attributed to the Justification of A God in Harming, Raping, Maiming, And

Killing Others Pillaging as they Go, It's Justified to A Man That Acts As A God

In Demagogue Fashion; Yes, Welcome to the Dark Side of Human Nature And CuLTuRE

Still Unfolding

in the Stories

And Lies They Tale

For Their Aims of Harming,
Raping, Maiming, And Killing

The Innocents Among us Whether

They are Doing Their Best to Enjoy

A Rave Or Just Under the Age of 15, Half
The Population of A Settlement Being Decimated

As i Speak;

Or of Course,

The Brown Folks From
Iraq; And the White Folks From Ukraine

And The Rest of the World, The God
of the Dollar Bill and Other Material

Currency Pays No Mind to At All;

If One is Fortunate Enough to Live With Other
Human Beasts Who Do Not Soak Homelands With Blood; God Yes,

Kiss the Sky And The Ground You Touch Each Morning Without Blood;

For This is the Other Human CuLTuRaL Story Still Unfolding in Blood Around The World...

Only By

The Grace

of Nature

it Could Be Us;
True, Nature the
God of DarK Thru LiGHT

Action And Consequence Per Real Karma

Living in or Out of Balance With the Rest of Nature...

Yawn, When Humans Lives Out Balance With The Rest of Nature, They Naturally
Cull Their Own Species Like the Others; What Did You Think, We Are Special Hehe...

It Doesn't Matter

What Justification

'They' Bring Indeed

It is The Condition At Hand of Hell or Heaven And the Tween;

Currently Enjoying Heaven as Long as This Peace Lasts over here...

in Abundance Never Imagined As Far As the Eye Can See Aided By
Science Or Naked, Enough, Whole, Complete Like me; Hot and Cold

Rocks Above

Just This Little

Sliver of Existence

To Enjoy Heaven on Earth...

Other than that Happy Ring of Fire Solar Eclipse Day...

i Am More Enthused With Warm Hugs, Smiles; And A Fresh Dance
And Song Free in Paradise Within, No Matter What God Damned Day it is...

Or What God
Damned Verse
They Read in Church;

It Won't Be Numbers 31;

They skip over the
Reality of it, no Different

Than the Others Dying All Around
The World That Are Not in Our World

of Profits instead of Prophets, hehe...

Nah It's Not Funny; Just the Nature of 'The Beast'...

Nah, Jesus (The Good Cop Version)

Was Never
Real the

Old Bible
Still Tales Us So...

He Said He was for
Peace, Unconditional
Love, Mercy And Forgiveness

For All and Still Tortured the
Enemies Forever by the End of the Story

Same Old God Damned Lying 'TRumP Story' iNDeeD...

Still Dreaming
of the Other
Version Yet to come...

Nope, Not Waiting on Any (Millstones)
Statues at the Bottom of the Ocean to Come Back to Life...

Anyway, It's What i Told the Gym Assistant After 'Moving
Mountains;' Yep, Still Leg Pressing over 1500 Pounds
At age 63, Last Night at the Military Gym; Yep, i Asked Him

IF He ever Read the Old Testament And He
Said He Did; And i Said Well, We Still

LiVE iN A Numbers 31 World;

Look It Up and

See The

Human
Condition Again;
No Revelation, Just
The Nature of 'the Beast' iN DarK



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14 Oct 2023, 11:29 am



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