Why recognise a genocide and not for another one ?

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I find it irritating that countries seem to be prepared to recognise the sufferings and wrong-doings of other countries and not for their own and deny that it ever took place or say that they ''didn't commit any war crimes or genocide'' but say that another country was. I remember finding out about when once Turkey had a go at France for recognising the Armenian Genocide when it didn't recognise genocide or ethnic cleansing in Algeria. The UK still doesn't officially recognise the Armenian Genocide but recognises the Holocaust. I seem to feel that if people are willing to recognise and commemorate the sufferings of people who were oppressed by other countries then I think really we should recognise our own country's wrong-doings as well and commemorate it to remind ourselves that it so it never happens again.

I'd expect that diplomatic considerations play a role.

Turkey has the second largest military in NATO. If NATO members concede that Armenians (and others) were subjected to genocidal violence during that era Turkey will throw a shitfit.

People like to deny reality sometimes.. like when people claim that the USA/Canada are not racist countries. LOL. Their predecessors completed one of the biggest genocides in human history, and then had slavery for hundreds of years, and still has legalized slavery with prison labour in the USA, residential school systems in Canada. etc etc. Yet there are people who claim that the USA/Canada are not racist countries.

People seem to like to point the finger at others for their wrongdoings but have some sort of mental break when it comes to acknowledging those of their own country.

Last night I dreamed I was in a school where I was writing some kind of a weird fan fiction that was like a cross between My Little Pony Tales and Harry Potter, but a girl in front of me started reading it and I got very uncomfortable and embarrassed and took it from her, and she thought I was a jerk. It's not unlike something that have happened in real life, except as a teenager I would have probably been instead writing a story about talking cats or hippos or whatever.

The US and Canada aren't racist countries, you're talking about events that either happened many generations ago or aren't racist. What precisely do you propose to make them stop being racist over things that happened in the past?

Prison labor isn't great, but I'm not sure what else you give folks to do in prison. Compared with the other things that are done to prisoners, the working is probably one of the lesser issues.

Honestly, the reason why a lot of countries are afraid to recognize the Armenian Genocide is because they want to avoid offending Turkey. Heck, people are afraid to talk about the Armenian Genocide period - a lot of schools don't even teach it. The Armenian Genocide was genocide, plain and simple, and I give credit to Biden for finally having the US acknowledge it. I've always been supportive of Armenians and their community, as well as their fight to get countries to recognize the Armenian Genocide.

With the Holocaust, mostly people only care about the Jewish victims and ignore the other people who died, like Roma people, LGBT people, Soviet POWs, the disabled, and people who opposed the Nazis. Romani history has a lot of parallels to Jewish history - namely, the history of persecution and discrimination, and what's worse is that Europe hasn't had a reckoning with how they treat Roma.

There's nothing wrong with prisoners working, but they should receive (at least) minimum wage for the labour they perform.

Why should some private entity get to profit off of below-cost labour?

But also, if they're paid at least minimum wage it means they'll have some sort of savings to use upon release, helping make that transition easier.

Yes they are.

I’m talking about present day things like selective law enforcement against Indigenous people and black people.

The last residential school closed in the 1990s. I personally know direct survivors. This is not ancient history.

The issue with prison labour is it’s illegal to have slaves in the USA anymore so they just arrest black people a few times for crimes white people don’t get arrested for and now they’re incarcerated to abuse for their labour.

It’s going to take a lot of very serious work on behalf of every citizen and our countries’ institutions to eliminate systemic racism.

There are so many genocides to pick from. Like a candy store.

Its hard to pick and choose!

The worst part about the US prison system is that there's no chance for rehabilitation, which is why many people who get out of jail often end up committing more crimes and getting sent back to jail. We only focus on punishing people and making them suffer. We give out life sentences like they're free samples. The racial injustice is pretty obvious - there are black men rotting away in prison for the rest of their lives over minor crimes. Meanwhile a rich white kid can rape an unconscious woman and get a slap on the wrist (and the news will use their yearbook photo instead of their mugshot). Rich white women can literally get away with murder - oftentimes, they get therapy and counseling instead of prison time, even if the crime they did doesn't warrant such sympathy.

Now contrast that with the prisons in Norway, which look more like college dorm rooms, and focus on rehabilitating their prisoners so they don't make the same mistakes again. They also treat prisoners in a much more humane fashion than they do in the US. In Norway, there reoffending rate is only about 20 percent, in contrast to nearly 80 percent in the US. Some countries have done away with life sentences or only reserve them for particularly dangerous criminals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e_woWJ ... leDownNews

I think a psychologist in a famous case involving a rich white teen who ran over and killed 4 innocent bystanders while driving drunk got him off based on a fake diagnosis called "affluenza". What was remarkable is how the judge accepted the reason on the basis that the teen was exposed to affluence which explained why he was "spoilt" and could not distinguish between and right and wrong.

Another famous case involving a wealthy white female teen charged with drink driving, crashing her car, damaging other vehicles and assaulting multiple police officers. She should have received a prison sentence but the father booked an airline ticket to send her to "alcohol therapy" in the Swiss alps. She didn't spend one day in prison.

Ultimately there seems to be a common perception that affluent white kids are "capable" of rehabilitation because their parents can resource them. In stark contrast a black kid from a less affluent background is considered a "risk" of reoffending. But let's face it, there is a culture problem in the police force to begin with.

Where do you want to start? The Yamnaya warrior culture that is the precursor to all Indo-European speaking people was actually a semi-nomadic predatory society where young men were compelled to go out and invade neighbouring tribes (kill the men, steal the women and enslave the kids).

There were more people from more demographics who were murdered during the Holocaust.

The Mongols, Han Chinese, Turks and Arabs are the kings of genocide, the indo-Europeans are the OGs

Yes.

Even within the "same genocide" folks emphasize some parts over others.

They stop at the six millon Jews, and dont go on to list...political prisoners, Gypsies (Roma), the handicapped, Soviet POWs, etc etc killed in the same Nazi Holocaust which add up to atleast another five million on top of the Six million Jews. .