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roronoa79
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02 Jun 2024, 12:07 pm

After being convicted of 34 felon counts, and denouncing it as lawfare targetting a political opponent, former president Donald Trump denies ever calling for Hillary Clinton to be locked up, and denies encouraging his supporters to do the same.

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Former President Donald Trump on Sunday falsely claimed he never supported calling for Hillary Clinton to be jailed despite repeated rallying cries of “lock her up” at his 2016 campaign stops, and said he’s accepted the possibility he could face jail or house arrest after being convicted of 34 felony counts Friday—but also warned that he’s “not sure the public would stand for it” if he were to face any harsh penalties.

“Fox & Friends Weekend” aired a 90-minute interview with the former president Sunday, two days after he was convicted in Manhattan criminal court of 34 counts of falsification of business records related to hush money payments made to porn star Stormy Daniels ahead of the 2016 presidential election, in which he faced Clinton.

Fox host Brian Kilmeade brought up Trump's calls of "lock her up" during his 2016 campaign against Clinton—what crimes he wished to see his opponent imprisoned for was never made clear and Clinton was never charged with a crime—but Trump denied he ever joined his followers in repeating the now-famous phrase, despite having done so on multiple occasions.

As supporters chanted the phrase at a rally in October of 2016, Trump responded "'Lock her up’ is right," and in January 2020 he repeated the claim at a rally in Toledo—"You should lock her up, I’ll tell you,” Trump said.

In the interview Sunday, Trump said "I could have done it" in regards to jailing Clinton, but added, "I felt it would have been a terrible thing. But then this happened to me."

Trump is set to be sentenced on his felony counts on July 11—days before the Republican National Convention—and faces a sentence that could range from a fine of up to $5,000 to four years in prison for each of his 34 felony convictions and, while jail time appears unlikely, it is possible.

Trump told Fox News he's "OK with" the possibility of jail time, but also warned it would be "tough for the public to take” and said a sentence to prison or house arrest could push supporters to a “breaking point.”

During her 2016 presidential campaign, Clinton was under investigation for her alleged mishandling of classified materials. A federal investigation found that Clinton used a private email server to conduct government business when she was secretary of state, a violation of records retention law. Dozens of email chains were found to have contained sensitive information and some of those contained "top secret" information. The investigation was a sticking point for Trump and his allies during the campaign, with the future president calling the scandal a “disgrace” and telling Clinton “you ought to be ashamed” during the second presidential debate. In July of 2016, former FBI Director James Comey said the agency found no "clear evidence" that Clinton intentionally violated the law but that she and her team were "extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information." Clinton was never charged with a crime. Trump is currently under indictment on 40 felony counts in his own classified documents case—he is accused of mishandling White House documents and obstructing the government’s investigation into them. He is charged with the willful retention of national defense information, obstruction, concealing documents and making false statements and representations.

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"'I didn't say 'lock her up,' but the people would all say 'lock her up, lock her up,'" Trump said Sunday. "Then we won and I said, pretty openly, 'Alright, come on, just relax, let's go. We gotta make our country great.' It would have been—think of it—you lock up the wife of a president of the United States?"

Trump’s warnings of a “breaking point” surrounding his sentencing were vague, but there have been threats of violence surrounding his conviction. Online, supporters of the former president have called for violence and harassment against the jurors, judge and prosecutors involved in his case, with at least one post including the address of Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, while others mentioned the purported addresses of jurors, NBC News reported. The posts reportedly appeared on the same websites Trump supporters used to coordinate the attack on the U.S. Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021, which was spurred by the president’s calls to reject the 2020 election results. Hundreds of people were injured in the attack, including more than 100 police officers, and one person died after being shot by a Capitol Police officer. Four others died within 36 hours—one of a drug overdose and three of natural causes. Hundreds of rioters pleaded guilty, with more than 200 sentenced to jail time, and a House committee blamed Trump for triggering the riots in an 845-page report released in December of 2022.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I was waiting for SOMEONE in the Trump camp to address this.
So yeah, they are really just flatly lying or they are truly this deep in denial.
If I meet a MAGA irl who tries to argue this, I am going to quite literally fall to the ground and start rolling around laughing and pointing at them.


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02 Jun 2024, 12:15 pm

Trump thinks presidents can order SEAL team 6 to whack whoever they want... with that logic he should be lucky Biden doesn't have him dropped out of a helicopter over the ocean like the right-wing death squads in South America used to do.


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06 Jun 2024, 11:24 am

Why did they want to lock her up? E-mails? Benghazi? Not acting like June Cleaver?


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06 Jun 2024, 4:08 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
Why did they want to lock her up? E-mails? Benghazi? Not acting like June Cleaver?


Good question. The E-mails were an actual accusation, but the calls for locking her up predated that scandal, but no one ever specified what crime she had committed that warranted being locked up. There was the White Water investment scandal, but even after repeated investigations that never amounted to much.

Old Rush Limbaugh pretty much devoted his whole adult life to ...trying prove that Hillary was a liar, and AFIK he only came up with one thing. She would claim that her parents named her "Hillary" after Sir Edmund Hillary...the British mountaineer who, along with Tenzing Norgay, was the first person to conquer Mt. Everest. Limbaugh pointed out that he didnt climb everest until several years after Hillary was born, and before that he was just an obscure British aristocrat. So gochta! And yes, it would indeed be strange, and seemingly anachronistic for her parents to have named her after that "Hillary" , but maybe that was tooth fairy type story that her would tell her growing up. Its a mystery.



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06 Jun 2024, 9:20 pm

Why is he denying that he said it? Because him and his are now saying that jailing politicians is wrong?

Is he denying it to avoid looking the hypocrite? I'm impressed. I didn't think Trump was capable for such self-awareness.


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06 Jun 2024, 10:40 pm

I still think opposition to the idea of a female president played a factor in all this.

To conservatives, this is the only acceptable occupation for women:

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06 Jun 2024, 11:31 pm



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07 Jun 2024, 12:52 pm

The fixation on Hilary being a crook comes down to a number of factors:

  1. She is a Democrat (from Chicago, no less) and conservatives (namely conservative media) have spent much energy trying to paint Democrat politicians as crooked and corrupt (to be fair, this isn't exactly hard)
  2. She is a high-ranking career Democrat, and is thus a more valuable target
  3. She is a woman. This means many things. Most conservatives do not consciously think she belongs in the kitchen. But, to the Good Old Days crowd, women are not as well-equipped to succeed in politics as men. Therefore, as a successful woman in politics, she can only have succeeded over so many men because of affirmative action/reverse-sexism, cheating, and connections. Compare their reaction to Obama succeeding as a black politician: conspiracy theories, racist innuendo, and character attacks.
    They also have a special contempt for her because Bill cheated on her, because of sexists' tendency to blame the victim.
  4. She is a beltway insider with an education from two elite east coast colleges who married a governor-turned-president. Thats a lot of the elitist checklist right there.
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Why is he denying that he said it? Because him and his are now saying that jailing politicians is wrong?

Is he denying it to avoid looking the hypocrite? I'm impressed. I didn't think Trump was capable for such self-awareness.

If he were just contesting the charges against him, that would be one thing, but he and his supporters act like prosecuting a "political opponent" (read: any politician because all politicians have opponents) is inherently corrupt and tyrannical. I've seen many center-to-right libertarians dub 5/30/2024 as "Banana Republic Day".
To be fair, I'd have no issue with someone like Biden or Hilary getting prosecuted. Whatever happened to "They're all crooks!"? Let them all fry. There is no such thing as a non-political prosecution of a politician. Contrary to what many MAGAs seem to think, if Biden got convicted of felonies(s) tomorrow, I would spend the day laughing and partying.


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08 Jun 2024, 6:39 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
The E-mails were an actual accusation, but the calls for locking her up predated that scandal,


Exactly. MTG also started impeachment efforts on day one of Biden's term, before he ever had a chance to do anything impeachable.
QMAGAnon are a joke. Unfortunately they are very dark humour.


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