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15 Aug 2024, 9:33 pm



https://invidious.jing.rocks/watch?v=e9To_P8gX9c


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19 Aug 2024, 9:25 pm

Very important history here.

However, I notice that it's on a YouTube channel, GDF, which also has the following video: Who REALLY Controls US Foreign Policy?.

The latter video is primarily about AIPAC, which is indeed a powerful lobby group. The video also mentions, correctly, that AIPAC functions as part of a much larger Zionist movement.

But it mistakenly equates the larger Zionist movement with just a bunch of Jewish orgs. The video does not mention Christian Zionists, who are much more numerous than Jewish Zionists.

If one is going to talk about the power of Zionists here in the U.S.A., I think it's important to talk about Christian Zionism (about which see this thread) and to try to counteract it by amplifying the voices of Palestinian Christians (about whom see this thread), including Palestinian evangelical Christians as well as more traditional Palestinian Christians.

I also think it's important to amplify the voices of the small but apparently growing (especially among the younger generation) number of Jews who are anti-Zionist or who otherwise criticize Israel.

In my opinion, amplifying the voices of both Palestinian Christians and Jewish critics of Israel is not only strategically important in its own right, as a way to counteract Zionism, but also can help counteract the equating of Zionism with Jewishness and hence the equating of anti-Zionism with "antisemitism." And this is important, IMO, not only to protect the reputations of critics of Israel, but also to help avert the danger of an actual -- and possibly severe -- anti-Jewish backlash if and whenever the U.S.A. ever finally manages to shake off the spell of Zionism. And we should certainly aim to prevent danger of an actual anti-Jewish backlash, IMO.


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19 Aug 2024, 10:13 pm

Back to the main topic:

The video How Ethnic Cleansing Created Israel briefly shows the following books, which are apparently among the video's sources:

- The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited by Benny Morris, at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, Israel, published by Cambridge University Press.

- The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe, published by Oneworld Publications, distributed by Simon & Schuster

More about these books:

1) About The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited by Benny Morris:

- Cambridge University Press
- Critical Analysis Of The Birth Of The Palestinian Refugee Problem By Benny Morris, Palestine Remembered

2) About The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe, published by Oneworld Publications, distributed by Simon & Schuster:

- Simon & Schuster
- Wikipedia
- Journal of Palestine Studies, Columbia University
- Institute for Palestine Studies

Anyhow, the important point is that, when the state of Israel was founded, many (though not all) Palestinians were forcibly expelled from Israel and their villages destroyed, contrary to the Israeli official story that they all just voluntarily fled when the 1948 war broke out after Israel declared its independence.


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20 Aug 2024, 5:57 am

The word 'tihur' (cleansing) sounds pretty much like the Arabic word "tothir" which means the same thing.



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22 Aug 2024, 5:14 am

Honestly, Israel's founding history pretty much parallels European colonialism; except it's more ahead chronologically.

Zionists definitely justify their cleansing acts that the Jews themselves were cleansed out of this same land way back (not by Palestinians' ancestors tho).



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22 Aug 2024, 7:29 am

Funny...how the Pagan Romans both ...nailed Christ to the cross...AND destroyed the second temple and caused the Diaspora of the Jews from their homeland (did both in the same few decades). Yet the Romans never get blamed for either thing. :lol:

Christians blame Jews for "killing Christ". And Jews blame the modern Muslim Arabs for taking away their ancient homeland.



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22 Aug 2024, 6:52 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Funny...how the Pagan Romans both ...nailed Christ to the cross...AND destroyed the second temple and caused the Diaspora of the Jews from their homeland (did both in the same few decades). Yet the Romans never get blamed for either thing.


its those damn babylonians


Brings a tear to my eye when I remember Zion, and I'm not even Jewish



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22 Aug 2024, 6:55 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Honestly, Israel's founding history pretty much parallels European colonialism; except it's more ahead chronologically.


those in power globally get to set the rules/morals and metering out justice. I live in a country where genocide was quite widespread and was done without prying eyes of historians.



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22 Aug 2024, 8:10 pm

cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Funny...how the Pagan Romans both ...nailed Christ to the cross...AND destroyed the second temple and caused the Diaspora of the Jews from their homeland (did both in the same few decades). Yet the Romans never get blamed for either thing.


its those damn babylonians


Brings a tear to my eye when I remember Zion, and I'm not even Jewish


Originally a Reggae song by the Melodians in 1970 it was a Rastafarian anthem...citing two psalms in the Bible in its Lyrics ...to make the analogy between the ancient Hebrews and modern Africans (now living in exile in the New World after being hauled off "into captivity" from Africa). Appears on the soundtrack album of the movie "The Harder They Come" (a great sampler of classic reggae).

Later your German group, Boney M, made that great Eurodisco version of the great Reggae original.

So...yes...whether you interpret it as being about Blacks or Jews...it can bring a tear to your eye.

BTW the Babylonian Capitivity ended when Babylonia was conquered the bigger empire of Persia. Persia allowed the Hebrews to return to Zion.

But now as we speak a regional war seems to be brewing between "Zion" and "Persia".



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23 Aug 2024, 1:16 am

naturalplastic wrote:
BTW the Babylonian Capitivity ended when Babylonia was conquered the bigger empire of Persia. Persia allowed the Hebrews to return to Zion.

But now as we speak a regional war seems to be brewing between "Zion" and "Persia".

Long memories



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31 Dec 2024, 11:50 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

On YouTube's page for this video, there is also a link to this Google doc containing a list of the video's sources.


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