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Ragtime
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31 Aug 2007, 11:29 pm

richard dawkins and christopher hitchens are both still atheists/agnostics.



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31 Aug 2007, 11:37 pm

and by the way, http://exitmundi.nl/Dreamsend.htm



^ that more reflects mr flew's beliefs better than your interpretation of one particular book of myths and folk tales.



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31 Aug 2007, 11:39 pm

and just for fun....god is dead...


http://exitmundi.nl/suicide.htm



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31 Aug 2007, 11:42 pm

Ragtime: Coals to Newcastle. How many times do you have to be told? Your endless hope of trying to convert us to your way of thinking is about as welcome as a does of haemorrhoids, and is about as painful to put up with as well. All you are doing is making your cause even more pathetic than we think it is, and your religion out to be abigger joke than we think it is. All you have done is prove that some people MAY have decided to accept BELIEFS, it doesn't prove that any of it is factual. Unless you stop this tub-thumping and just carry on an argument without all the snideness that you have been inflicting on us, all your crusading may as well be like pushing sh*t uphill. Sorry, but that's the truth. Learn to face it.


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31 Aug 2007, 11:47 pm

I love the article on the Purple God Cloud.

~ Flagg the Grumpy MD who cannot stop laughing at the Purple God Cloud slitting it's wrists to Linkin Park


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01 Sep 2007, 12:08 am

My bad thought this would be on George Carlin. :lol:



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01 Sep 2007, 12:32 am

I consider myself to be a pantheist of late, which is basically the belief that God is All.

I also believe that God is finite, as infinite does not exist, as there is eventually a limit. The Universe does not have infinite mass, despite its vast size.



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01 Sep 2007, 12:57 pm

"Antony Flew"
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Who?
I've never heard of this 'world-famous atheist,' despite being an atheist and talking to lots of other atheists.
In any case, the fact that an 81-year-old man made a fear-based death-bed conversion isn't exactly a logical argument.

The 'most famous' atheist at the moment is probably Richard Dawkins, followed by Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris.



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01 Sep 2007, 2:25 pm

"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said.

rofl... that's a conversion if i ever heard one!

good find ragtime


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01 Sep 2007, 2:26 pm

Associated Press wrote:
Famous Atheist Now Believes in God
One of World's Leading Atheists Now Believes in God, More or Less, Based on Scientific Evidence

NEW YORK Dec 9, 2004 — A British philosophy professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his mind. He now believes in God more or less based on scientific evidence, and says so on a video released Thursday.

At age 81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake, Antony Flew has concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have created the universe. A super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a telephone interview from England.

Flew said he's best labeled a deist like Thomas Jefferson, whose God was not actively involved in people's lives.

"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said. "It could be a person in the sense of a being that has intelligence and a purpose, I suppose."

Flew first made his mark with the 1950 article "Theology and Falsification," based on a paper for the Socratic Club, a weekly Oxford religious forum led by writer and Christian thinker C.S. Lewis.

Over the years, Flew proclaimed the lack of evidence for God while teaching at Oxford, Aberdeen, Keele, and Reading universities in Britain, in visits to numerous U.S. and Canadian campuses and in books, articles, lectures and debates.

There was no one moment of change but a gradual conclusion over recent months for Flew, a spry man who still does not believe in an afterlife.

Yet biologists' investigation of DNA "has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved," Flew says in the new video, "Has Science Discovered God?"

The video draws from a New York discussion last May organized by author Roy Abraham Varghese's Institute for Metascientific Research in Garland, Texas. Participants were Flew; Varghese; Israeli physicist Gerald Schroeder, an Orthodox Jew; and Roman Catholic philosopher John Haldane of Scotland's University of St. Andrews.

The first hint of Flew's turn was a letter to the August-September issue of Britain's Philosophy Now magazine. "It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism," he wrote.

The letter commended arguments in Schroeder's "The Hidden Face of God" and "The Wonder of the World" by Varghese, an Eastern Rite Catholic layman.

This week, Flew finished writing the first formal account of his new outlook for the introduction to a new edition of his "God and Philosophy," scheduled for release next year by Prometheus Press.

Prometheus specializes in skeptical thought, but if his belief upsets people, well "that's too bad," Flew said. "My whole life has been guided by the principle of Plato's Socrates: Follow the evidence, wherever it leads."

Last week, Richard Carrier, a writer and Columbia University graduate student, posted new material based on correspondence with Flew on the atheistic www.infidels.org Web page. Carrier assured atheists that Flew accepts only a "minimal God" and believes in no afterlife.

Flew's "name and stature are big. Whenever you hear people talk about atheists, Flew always comes up," Carrier said. Still, when it comes to Flew's reversal, "apart from curiosity, I don't think it's like a big deal."

Flew told The Associated Press his current ideas have some similarity with American "intelligent design" theorists, who see evidence for a guiding force in the construction of the universe. He accepts Darwinian evolution but doubts it can explain the ultimate origins of life.

A Methodist minister's son, Flew became an atheist at 15.

Early in his career, he argued that no conceivable events could constitute proof against God for believers, so skeptics were right to wonder whether the concept of God meant anything at all.

Another landmark was his 1984 "The Presumption of Atheism," playing off the presumption of innocence in criminal law. Flew said the debate over God must begin by presuming atheism, putting the burden of proof on those arguing that God exists.



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01 Sep 2007, 2:29 pm

Sedaka wrote:
"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said.

rofl... that's a conversion if i ever heard one!

good find ragtime


It is interesting that some people can't accept God for who He is, but choose to pretend He can be whatever they want. At least this guy has gotten his head out of the sand to recognize that God exists.



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01 Sep 2007, 2:31 pm

Sedaka wrote:
"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said.

rofl... that's a conversion if i ever heard one!

good find ragtime
lol


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01 Sep 2007, 2:32 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said.

rofl... that's a conversion if i ever heard one!

good find ragtime


It is interesting that some people can't accept God for who He is, but choose to pretend He can be whatever they want. At least this guy has gotten his head out of the sand to recognize that God exists.



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01 Sep 2007, 2:34 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said.

rofl... that's a conversion if i ever heard one!

good find ragtime


It is interesting that some people can't accept God for who He is, but choose to pretend He can be whatever they want. At least this guy has gotten his head out of the sand to recognize that God exists.

Yes, but with a good point, illustrating how the God from the Bible is described originally in the Bible, as a cosmic Saddam Hussein for example, makes some sense.


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01 Sep 2007, 2:38 pm

There are more than one views on who to compare God with, such as, what if I said that God is more like Gustavus Adolphus than Sodom Hussein?