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Yesterday, 10:32 am

They're voting on decriminalising abortion at any stage of the pregnancy in the commons today

I don't know what to make of this
Does it literally mean that a woman could potentially get rid of the fetus right up until the day before it gets born


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Yesterday, 12:15 pm

Whoa this could be controversial ....And what percentage of women would kill a offspring .?? These days ,when all governments are making it hard to just get by, and then having another mouth to feed. Without additional support of a mate or significant other . Or Gawd forbid , even the government . But many States via Fed government in USA are proposing 1000 USD for newborns ...So now, we encourage women by bribing them to have kids . So when the 1000
runs out ,what does a women do . Thats brought up in a self centered emotionally and financally society ? XYZ generations . And forced by media to see nothing but violence and heartlessness beamed into their home by the almighty US media . With a small amount of alternative media. Especially , if you are a woman , whom wants to appear knowledgeable , You might take a peek at what media wants you to see? War and division, US versus Them stuff.And our own governments are responsible for this stuff you peek at. No diversity any more just division of humans.And the way our own same governments are suppose to be a model of a decent society ? It is a wonder there are not much more dumpster babies in the United States ( and possibly elsewhere). :(
And yet a 1000 USD is supposed to care for a lifetime of a child?. But bet you could get alotta crack or meth for 1000 :ninja: Guess suppose all babies could be born to loving caring parents,who were not bottle fed media from birth 8O


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Yesterday, 3:33 pm

babybird wrote:
They're voting on decriminalising abortion at any stage of the pregnancy in the commons today

I don't know what to make of this
Does it literally mean that a woman could potentially get rid of the fetus right up until the day before it gets born


It means no criminal charges could be applied against a woman who pursues such an abortion, or the doctor who performs it.

It doesn't mean they'll be common, given that the risks associated go up the later an abortion occurs.
Because they're risky, doctors won't usually perform abortions late unless there's a serious reason to do so.

This is the legal situation surrounding abortion in Canada right now.


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Today, 1:14 am

Well the vote went through


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Today, 1:31 am

babybird wrote:
They're voting on decriminalising abortion at any stage of the pregnancy in the commons today

[....]
Does it literally mean that a woman could potentially get rid of the fetus right up until the day before it gets born


That's how I understand it. That abortion would be permitted at *any* time prior to baby's emergence, even during active labor.

babybird wrote:
Well the vote went through


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Today, 4:32 am

I'm struggling with it because I would like to say that I'm probably choice but this is messing with my head


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I'm struggling with it because I would like to say that I'm probably choice but this is messing with my head


You might want to look at how small of percentage late term abortions make up of the total abortion rate in places where there's no maximum.

In Canada, late-term abortions (after 20 weeks) make up 2.5% of the total performed in hospitals, and it's estimated that they make up 0.59% of those performed in clinics.

They're performed out of medical necessity, rather than because the patient just decided to terminate.

This provides more information on the situation in Canada, and it seems unlikely the culture between the UK and Canada are so radically different that the outcomes would be radically different.

https://arcc-cdac.ca/media/position-pap ... rtions.pdf

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Why Late Term Abortions Are Necessary
A small number of abortions occur after 20 weeks of gestation primarily because the fetus is gravely or fatally impaired, or the woman's life or physical health is at risk, or both. Many impairments or health risks are not detectable until after the 24th week of gestation. For example, in a 2016 case, a fetus showed no abnormalities at a 20-week scan for a Montreal woman. Yet, at seven months “a new ultrasound showed the fetus was abnormally small and had skeletal malformations, likely caused by a genetic mutation.” The couple sought an abortion, rather than
given birth to a child who would likely suffer greatly.

Those opposed to abortion rights have portrayed women as having late-term abortions out of "selfish convenience" or because they "suddenly can't get into a bathing suit." This misrepresentation of women’s decision-making with regard to abortion is always inaccurate, but especially so in cases of later abortion. Most people who terminate their pregnancies after 20 weeks wanted to have a child, and were forced to consider abortion for medical reasons. Others may be in desperate social circumstances, such as an abusive relationship, or they may be children or young teens who have delayed abortion care because they were unaware of the pregnancy or in denial.


Emphasis mine.

I think the whole debate often attempts to portray women as not capable of making well-informed medical decisions and instead tries to portray them as motivated by shallow concerns. Those who wish to restrict women's ability to make medical decisions for themselves seem to need to rely on lying about why people choose to terminate pregnancies after 20 weeks.


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