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31 May 2025, 9:54 am

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Uncertain legacy of 2020 protests of racism, police brutality by Cathy Young for Newsday

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It is five years since the death in police custody of a Black man in Minneapolis, George Floyd, sparked protests that not only rocked America but spread to several countries in Europe. White police officer Derek Chauvin, who infamously knelt on Floyd’s neck for nine and half minutes, was later convicted of murder; most Americans agree with this outcome, despite attempts on the right to portray Chauvin as an innocent scapegoat and Floyd’s death as drug-induced.

The long-term legacy of that summer’s protests against racism and police brutality is far more uncertain.

The racial dynamics of police violence are complicated, and there are known cases of asphyxiation by improper police restraint involving white victims and/or Black officers. But race aside, lack of accountability for cops who cause death or injury through reckless or even malicious use of force is all too often a reality. It is an area where reform is badly needed, and the push for such reform in the wake of Floyd’s death was salutary.

Unfortunately, the protest movement’s effectiveness was hampered by a lack of clear goals and the descent by some into rage and radicalism. Calls for police reform were often drowned out by blanket cop-bashing and calls to "defund the police," surely one of the most ill-advised slogans in American history. Meanwhile, polls have consistently shown that most poor people and minorities want more but fairer policing.

While the vast majority of the protests across America remained peaceful, riots, arson and looting in some major cities caused massive damage to neighborhoods and livelihoods; at least 25 people lost their lives.

Attacks on monuments, not just to Confederate leaders but to American heroes like U.S. president and Union Army General Ulysses S. Grant, further contributed to perceptions of the protests as extremist and anti-American. So did alarming cases in which people lost jobs, contracts, or businesses for criticizing the Black Lives Matter movement or even being insufficiently supportive. Not surprisingly, public sympathy for the movement quickly dropped.

While the protests did not, as some feared, damage Joe Biden’s presidential candidacy in 2020 — partly because Biden effectively condemned the rioting and looting — they probably played a role in the rightward shift that brought Donald Trump back to the White House in 2024. Today, we have a president who openly scorns racial sensitivity and just as openly sympathizes with police brutality, sometimes gleefully encouraging cops to manhandle detainees.

Trump’s Justice Department has dropped investigations of police abuses in several cities including Minneapolis, and the administration has deleted a nationwide database of misconduct by federal officers — even though Trump himself had supported national tracking of such misconduct during his first term. Trump is also adamantly opposed to reform that would make it easier to hold bad cops accountable.

Perhaps most shocking, the president is reportedly considering a pardon for Chauvin. The view of Chauvin as an innocent scapegoat is widespread on the pro-Trump right today; so is a grotesque vilification of Floyd that gloats over his death and drastically exaggerates his criminal record.

Five years ago, left-wing extremism posed a real threat to the American body politic. Today, an ugly extremism — on policing, race, and many other issues — threatens it from the right, and there is no sign of new leadership that could break this cycle.

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01 Jun 2025, 5:11 pm

With hindsight you can look back and try and make judgements on things. I am not going to say that the actions of the protestors were wrong if loss of life of another didn't occur. That is my gut feeling. It was an extremly emontional time and may be impacting moreso those of that heritage and minority group more. Being so sensory I found the marches quite difficult, but they had a right to exist.

It came also out a catalogue of abuse. It highlighted the need for justice now in the black community and also the question of police brutality. In the UK at least there was a ripple of cases of the actions being looked into in different cases of the actions of police. I wonder if that had any impact on it. Also, some instiuitions seemingly tried to change their policies which they claimed to be racist. We still have a long way to go.

I will forever remember and the speech of John Boyega

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn2i0wfM2h0


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01 Jun 2025, 5:27 pm

Education is a 2-way street. Many in the Afro-American community need to refocus on education and health of their community as perhaps a more long term way to fight against the system. Much of what they are fighting about is no longer as relevant as it was in the 1960s.

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https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nig ... a7ea5a0832
Most African-Americans trace their ancestry to Nigeria. It shouldn't make sense that Nigerian immigrants are the most successful in America whereas African-Americans who share the same DNA are the least successful. It's possible to embrace your culture (and the AAs have a rich culture in the US) but also look at building tools to succeed.

the BLM movement served it's purpose, it highlighted police brutality (which is a reality) and a constant impediment, but common sense when dealing/working with the police might achieve more than pitch battles which I think no longer has a place in 2025.



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02 Jun 2025, 8:44 am

These movements naturally run out of steam.

For BLM in particular the expose that some of the leaders used donated money to buy expensive homes turned off hard core supporters. As mentioned “defund the police” turned off mainstream supporters as did the riots associated with BLM, as did other tactics such as cancellation, calling out people where they ate and lived.

Other priorities took precedent such as Gaza and now the authoritarian second term of Donald Trump.

Eventually the plight of blacks in America will take center stage again probably under another name.


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02 Jun 2025, 7:10 pm

I think people from this background are called African Americans. I am of this origin and so can say it but it is not normal this day and age and strikes of apartheid systems to me really like blacks.
You probably do not know. In America people of this origin are called African American. I guess no offense was intended but may be it is good to drop that use of that word.


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02 Jun 2025, 8:18 pm

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I think people from this background are called African Americans. I am of this origin and so can say it but it is not normal this day and age and strikes of apartheid systems to me really like blacks.
You probably do not know. In America people of this origin are called African American. I guess no offense was intended but may be it is good to drop that use of that word.

Here in the states we do call people with this origin African-American but also black is still widely used and generally not considered racist. The movement calls itself “Black Lives Matter” not “African-American Lives Matter”. In addition not all people of the black race living in the United States have an African background. Many have backgrounds from various countries in the Caribbean.

How are people of the black race described in the United Kingdom?


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03 Jun 2025, 1:01 am

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I think people from this background are called African Americans. I am of this origin and so can say it but it is not normal this day and age and strikes of apartheid systems to me really like blacks.
You probably do not know. In America people of this origin are called African American. I guess no offense was intended but may be it is good to drop that use of that word.

Here in the states we do call people with this origin African-American but also black is still widely used and generally not considered racist. The movement calls itself “Black Lives Matter” not “African-American Lives Matter”. In addition not all people of the black race living in the United States have an African background. Many have backgrounds from various countries in the Caribbean.

How are people of the black race described in the United Kingdom?


I used to own a forum for a health condition and most of the posters were from America and from what I observed through the years is that they prefer in general this community to be called African American and I think it may extend to being preferred this way by anyone. You live in a state though where you said it is not uncommon.
Blacks is not a black person also. It rings of aparatheid as well and that is why I commented. This one makes me feel a bit uneasy.

In the UK people who are black and we do use this term here-but we tend to Black British or Black British Carribean or black british African or country your parents originated from or some one just call themselves simply British or English. I can call myself Black British and also British and English as well. Depends on who I may be discussing with I might add in that my parents originally from America as well but I was born in London, UK. The BLM started in London from what I can remember so they are used to the language.


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03 Jun 2025, 7:30 am

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ASPartOfMe wrote:
RachObi wrote:
I think people from this background are called African Americans. I am of this origin and so can say it but it is not normal this day and age and strikes of apartheid systems to me really like blacks.
You probably do not know. In America people of this origin are called African American. I guess no offense was intended but may be it is good to drop that use of that word.

Here in the states we do call people with this origin African-American but also black is still widely used and generally not considered racist. The movement calls itself “Black Lives Matter” not “African-American Lives Matter”. In addition not all people of the black race living in the United States have an African background. Many have backgrounds from various countries in the Caribbean.

How are people of the black race described in the United Kingdom?


I used to own a forum for a health condition and most of the posters were from America and from what I observed through the years is that they prefer in general this community to be called African American and I think it may extend to being preferred this way by anyone. You live in a state though where you said it is not uncommon.
Blacks is not a black person also. It rings of aparatheid as well and that is why I commented. This one makes me feel a bit uneasy.

In the UK people who are black and we do use this term here-but we tend to Black British or Black British Carribean or black british African or country your parents originated from or some one just call themselves simply British or English. I can call myself Black British and also British and English as well. Depends on who I may be discussing with I might add in that my parents originally from America as well but I was born in London, UK. The BLM started in London from what I can remember so they are used to the language.


The Black Lives Matter Movement started in America as a reaction to an event in America. Specifically the acquittal of a white person of the killing of a black person seven years before the murder of George Floyd. The movement was getting significant coverage here before the murder of George Floyd. His murder put the popularity of the movement into the stratosphere and that is when the movement went worldwide in a significant manner.

African-American is an ethic group, while black is the term used to describe a race of people. The discussion about the murder of George Floyd was all about unequal treatment of people based on skin color ie. race. So in the context of this thread black is an appropriate term to use(even though black people often have brown skin) for this thread.

Not just people in my state but the national media often use the term “blacks”. The writer of the column I used in the OP used the terms “Black man” and “white police officer”.


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03 Jun 2025, 2:31 pm

May be this words blacks or black for American could be one they are trying to reclaim. I haven't been in conversation with the people I knew from the US for a while now, may be things could be changing. As someone of African origin though I don't particularly like the term and especially if it is used in an article like this by someone of a different ethnic group. This is me though. The whole blacks and coloureds in South Africa never sat that well with me as well.


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03 Jun 2025, 2:46 pm

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May be this words blacks or black for American could be one they are trying to reclaim. I haven't been in conversation with the people I knew from the US for a while now, may be things could be changing. As someone of African origin though I don't particularly like the term and especially if it is used in an article like this by someone of a different ethnic group. This is me though. The whole blacks and coloureds in South Africa never sat that well with me as well.


For what it's worth it's been the primary ethnic label used self-referentially by Black Americans for my entire lifetime (at least).

That's not to suggest valid criticisms of the label don't exist, only that it seems to be the most widely accepted label for that community in the US.

It seems to be well past the point of being reclaimed, it seems more fair to describe it as having been reclaimed.

There's also the related term of FBA/Foundational Black American that gets used in some circles in the US.


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03 Jun 2025, 4:54 pm

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May be this words blacks or black for American could be one they are trying to reclaim. I haven't been in conversation with the people I knew from the US for a while now, may be things could be changing. As someone of African origin though I don't particularly like the term and especially if it is used in an article like this by someone of a different ethnic group. This is me though. The whole blacks and coloureds in South Africa never sat that well with me as well.


Referentially the black identity in South Africa and the USA has much different historical connotations to the UK. In the US and South Africa the closing ranks is a reaction to hundreds of years of white settler colonist antagonism which culturally makes up part of the identity which blacks and coloureds wear as a badge of honour. Much like a war veteran who identifies as a "veteran" because the shared trauma is inescapably part of their identity.



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03 Jun 2025, 5:07 pm

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May be this words blacks or black for American could be one they are trying to reclaim. I haven't been in conversation with the people I knew from the US for a while now, may be things could be changing. As someone of African origin though I don't particularly like the term and especially if it is used in an article like this by someone of a different ethnic group. This is me though. The whole blacks and coloureds in South Africa never sat that well with me as well.

“Colored Person” once a common term has been considered offensive in America for a long time now. “Person of Color” is the preferred term. It is considered inclusive because it describes all people whom are not caucasian not just people of the black race.


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03 Jun 2025, 9:40 pm

Coloured in SA has different connotations from colored in the US too.

The second link breaks down why Black is the most widely accepted term in the US.


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